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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 18, 2009 19:06:21 GMT -5
All,
I’ve got two polls going to pare down the number of suggestions that you all came up with in the previous “Deer Management” thread.
In each POLL you will have 5 choices to make. You may use all 5 or just 1 if you so desire.
I will let both polls run until Sunday evening. Then I will cull out the suggestions that did not garner any or very few votes.
The top vote getters will then be put into the final poll to identify the main changes that we would like to see in the deer management or change in regulations.
After selecting your choices in this poll please go to..
huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=deerhunting&action=display&thread=25287
And make your choices there too.
Thanks,1) More urban deer zones 2) Program to donate venison to the hungry with no cost to the hunter 3) Improve Hunter Access (tax breaks to farmers, landowner coupons with the deer tags, etc.) 4) Keep OBR (one buck rule) 5) Eliminate OBR (one buck rule) 6) Combination general tag (1 buck and 1 doe / 2 does OR 1 buck and 2 does / 3 does) 7) General firearm tag to be either sex 8) Move the gun season out of the main rut 9) Earn a Buck on the second buck 10) $5 doe tags. 11) Allow the use of crossbows any time other archery gear is legal 12) Establish an early muzzleloader season during October 13 Extend archery season (including crossbows), start September 15 and run through January 31 14) Allow antlerless deer be taken on state ground in fire arm season. 15) Put Hunter Ed back in the schools as an elective 16) Recruit youth hunters aggressively 17) Establish a Mentoring program with online contact information to give youth easy access to experienced volunteer hunters 18) Create a Yearly Sportsman's License. Same as the Lifetime License only on a yearly basis 19) Earn-A-Buck to counties with excess deer populations until the population is sufficiently reduced. 20) Introduce an additional two-week antlerless any weapon season in January 21) Statewide archery season should run from the first Saturday in September until January 31st. 22) Non-Resident bonus tags should be the same price as resident’s bonus tags.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 18, 2009 19:33:55 GMT -5
Done
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Post by greghopper on Mar 19, 2009 9:12:48 GMT -5
What are we trying to achieve?  ?.....is this poll for ways to Reduce to Deer Herd in over populated areas ? ...Or the Whole State in Grenal? .....Or something else? |
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Post by racktracker on Mar 19, 2009 9:17:05 GMT -5
What are we trying to achieve? ?.....is this poll for ways to Reduce to Deer Herd in over populated areas ? ...Or the Whole State in Grenal? .....Or something else? Looks pretty well self explanatory to me. The DNR is asking for input. What better way to give it to them? Thanks WW. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 19, 2009 9:25:15 GMT -5
What are we trying to achieve? ?.....is this poll for ways to Reduce to Deer Herd in over populated areas ? ...Or the Whole State in Grenal? .....Or something else? Looks pretty well self explanatory to me. The DNR is asking for input. What better way to give it to them? Thanks WW. To Achive What....... |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 19, 2009 9:30:42 GMT -5
Done!
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Post by js2397 on Mar 19, 2009 10:15:28 GMT -5
It is an alternative to HB 1585. This was a bill that was introduced to reduce deer herds in certain counties. The legislature has tried to step in and take the authority to manage the deer herd out of the hands of the DNR. It is up to us as game managers to be proactive and offer some viable alternatives to the bill that was introduced by Rep. Friend.
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 19, 2009 17:10:39 GMT -5
how in the world, would moving gun season out of the rut be a better management tool? What put archery in its place? If you wanna have less bucks killed, go back to the two buck a year regulation. Some peep's must have been blindfolded when they voted!
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Post by ribbuster on Mar 19, 2009 18:11:38 GMT -5
how in the world, would moving gun season out of the rut be a better management tool? What put archery in its place? If you wanna have less bucks killed, go back to the two buck a year regulation. Some peep's must have been blindfolded when they voted! Experienced hunters know that when the rut is on that all bucks are at the most vulnerable state of the year and are easy targets . Also this is a horrible time to try to hunt and shoot does because they are scattered and very wary /It is much easier to take does down in larger groups .Also button buck mortality is at it heaviest during the rut in gun season due to them being left alone and are constantly mistaken as a doe by gun hunters . A lone antlerless deer in gun season is almost always a button buck or yearling doe ! These are the two deer that least need to be taken for correct management .Simply look at when the gun seasons of IL. and Wi . also IA they have way better handle on this and buck /doe management .The also have gun seasons out of ruts peek! They also allow two bucks a year ! |
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 19, 2009 18:17:07 GMT -5
how in the world, would moving gun season out of the rut be a better management tool? What put archery in its place? If you wanna have less bucks killed, go back to the two buck a year regulation. Some peep's must have been blindfolded when they voted! Experienced hunters know that when the rut is on that all bucks are at the most vulnerable state of the year and are easy targets . Also this is a horrible time to try to hunt and shoot does because they are scattered and very wary /It is much easier to take does down in larger groups .Also button buck mortality is at it heaviest during the rut in gun season due to them being left alone and are constantly mistaken as a doe by gun hunters . A lone antlerless deer in gun season is almost always a button buck or yearling doe ! These are the two deer that least need to be taken for correct management .Simply look at when the gun seasons of IL. and Wi . also IA they have way better handle on this and buck /doe management .The also have gun seasons out of ruts peek! They also allow two bucks a year ! Good post. Pretty simple stuff if you put away the old ways. Crossbows in archery and early muzzleloader could be added in, also. |
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Post by huxbux on Mar 19, 2009 18:25:15 GMT -5
lug, taking the gun season out of the rut is not a herd management tool, it's a management tool advocated by folks who only care about big racks. I've never, ever heard a single wildlife biologist claim such a measure as being good for herd management.
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Post by ribbuster on Mar 19, 2009 19:00:42 GMT -5
lug, taking the gun season out of the rut is not a herd management tool, it's a management tool advocated by folks who only care about big racks. I've never, ever heard a single wildlife biologist claim such a measure as being good for herd management. If I may help you here... You could look up Lenard Lee Rue , or Charles Alshimer just for two of the best for starters .As well as Many others like Dr James C Kroll .A web search might be a good start as well as the many QDM and whitetail management and biology study hard cover books in you public library. Thanks its more than about large bucks .It is a sound managment technique. |
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Post by huxbux on Mar 19, 2009 19:26:36 GMT -5
It's a management technique for growing large racked bucks, not for maintaining a healthy herd.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 19, 2009 19:53:57 GMT -5
how in the world, would moving gun season out of the rut be a better management tool? What put archery in its place? If you wanna have less bucks killed, go back to the two buck a year regulation. Some peep's must have been blindfolded when they voted! Experienced hunters know that when the rut is on that all bucks are at the most vulnerable state of the year and are easy targets . Also this is a horrible time to try to hunt and shoot does because they are scattered and very wary /It is much easier to take does down in larger groups .Also button buck mortality is at it heaviest during the rut in gun season due to them being left alone and are constantly mistaken as a doe by gun hunters . A lone antlerless deer in gun season is almost always a button buck or yearling doe ! These are the two deer that least need to be taken for correct management .Simply look at when the gun seasons of IL. and Wi . also IA they have way better handle on this and buck /doe management .The also have gun seasons out of ruts peek! They also allow two bucks a year ! Gun Season is not in the PEAK of RUT....in INDIANA,the Peak of the Rut is a week before gun season  |
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Post by ribbuster on Mar 19, 2009 20:01:40 GMT -5
It's a management technique for growing large racked bucks, not for maintaining a healthy herd. Im sorry sir but that simply is not the case at all ,it helps make for large antlered bucks but that is just a by product of sound management !The less stressed the herd Bucks and Does and when the right deer are shot instead of just any deer that is what good timeing gives you good balance in management and stronger deer all year long.And lets face it shooting loner button bucks is just plain silly for experianced hunters when just a little patiance will net you a big fat Indiana Nanny that weighs in over 125# feild dressed. I don't understand why so many hunters struggle with good management ?I mean no one is telling hunters what to kill just when!What kind of hunter a person is ,is up to them . The betterment of the deer herd in Indiana is a must or we will simply slip back down that ladder we worked so many years to climb as deer are concerned!Its up to us to be smart about what we do and ask the DNR for . |
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Post by huxbux on Mar 19, 2009 20:30:53 GMT -5
Google Dr James Kroll. you'll get lots of articles about BUYING whitetail deer. Tell you anything?
Leonard Lee Rue, was a great deer hunter, (mostly photography) but his livelyhood depended upon taking pictures of BIG deer. No one pays big money for pics of little deer. Self-serving interests.
I could post loads of data to refute your claim, but what's the point? You're undoubtedly as convinced of your opinion as I am of mine.
I have no problem with any management techniques you or anyone else cares to practice. I do have a problem when folks lobby our DNR to enact regs which restrict what I can shoot or when during the season I can shoot them simply because they wish to manage the entire Indiana deer herd in order to meet their own self-serving interests.
First it was the OBR, now some want to move gun season out of the rut, next I suppose it will be antler point restrictions or a certain spread requirement.
For me at least, part of the allure of hunting is in the wildness. Wildness means uncontrolled. So many folks these days are consumed by their need to control every aspect of their lives. If you ever attain total control over a wild deer herd my friend, you have lost the very thing you seek- the wildness.
For the record, I and the friends I hunt with, are very selective about what bucks we shoot. I just don't want to force the issue on everyone else by advocating restrictive regs.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 20, 2009 2:02:27 GMT -5
Google Dr James Kroll. you'll get lots of articles about BUYING whitetail deer. Tell you anything? Leonard Lee Rue, was a great deer hunter, (mostly photography) but his livelyhood depended upon taking pictures of BIG deer. No one pays big money for pics of little deer. Self-serving interests. I could post loads of data to refute your claim, but what's the point? You're undoubtedly as convinced of your opinion as I am of mine. I have no problem with any management techniques you or anyone else cares to practice. I do have a problem when folks lobby our DNR to enact regs which restrict what I can shoot or when during the season I can shoot them simply because they wish to manage the entire Indiana deer herd in order to meet their own self-serving interests. First it was the OBR, now some want to move gun season out of the rut, next I suppose it will be antler point restrictions or a certain spread requirement. For me at least, part of the allure of hunting is in the wildness. Wildness means uncontrolled. So many folks these days are consumed by their need to control every aspect of their lives. If you ever attain total control over a wild deer herd my friend, you have lost the very thing you seek- the wildness. For the record, I and the friends I hunt with, are very selective about what bucks we shoot. I just don't want to force the issue on everyone else by advocating restrictive regs. I agree Hux! I would love, just for fun, to see the average age of pro OBR hunters vs anti OBR hunters. I'll bet it would be rather telling. |
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 20, 2009 8:28:51 GMT -5
how in the world, would moving gun season out of the rut be a better management tool? What put archery in its place? If you wanna have less bucks killed, go back to the two buck a year regulation. Some peep's must have been blindfolded when they voted! Experienced hunters know that when the rut is on that all bucks are at the most vulnerable state of the year and are easy targets . Also this is a horrible time to try to hunt and shoot does because they are scattered and very wary /It is much easier to take does down in larger groups .Also button buck mortality is at it heaviest during the rut in gun season due to them being left alone and are constantly mistaken as a doe by gun hunters . A lone antlerless deer in gun season is almost always a button buck or yearling doe ! These are the two deer that least need to be taken for correct management .Simply look at when the gun seasons of IL. and Wi . also IA they have way better handle on this and buck /doe management .The also have gun seasons out of ruts peek! They also allow two bucks a year ! The most proven way of button buck recruitment comes from the Mature deer hunter, regardless of what time of the year firearm season is in. Seeing bucks is what is going to reqruit younger hunters, not seeing them will keep them at home on the playstation, and not in the woods. If you want firearm hunters to take more does, then you change the way tags are sold, such as a doe tag and a buck tag sold together. You take firearm season out of the rut you will only lose hunters there will be no new reqruitment. Its also a proven fact that the OBR kills more bucks per year than the two buck a year system, other than the OBR taking away opprotunity, its pointless. |
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Post by ribbuster on Mar 20, 2009 14:35:25 GMT -5
The most pr oven way of button buck recruitment comes from the Mature deer hunter, regardless of what time of the year firearm season is in. Seeing bucks is what is going to recruit younger hunters, not seeing them will keep them at home on the playstation, and not in the woods. If you want firearm hunters to take more does, then you change the way tags are sold, such as a doe tag and a buck tag sold together. You take firearm season out of the rut you will only lose hunters there will be no new recruitment. Its also a proven fact that the OBR kills more bucks per year than the two buck a year system, other than the OBR taking away opportunity, its pointless. Actually you should know up front that I am totally opposed to the OBR it is a poor and senseless attempt at taking our buck herd to the higher levels that other states enjoy. The numbers of the supposed "trial" periods of the last 7 years show this clearly. {How long will it take the DNR to just admit that its a failure and they were pressured into the second trial period by ceirtain indeviduals and groups with mony and state level clout ?}Education and hunter maturity will go twice as far towards growing more and larger Buck deer .Limiting a good hunters ability to manage his hunting land and deer herd will never give the guy two miles down the road anymore big bucks to kill than he had before. I also detest lost hunting opportunity .Life is very short and most young hunters will either stay with it if they want too .That said The simple moving of a season back one or two weeks will never ever change the participation level in it by hunters .Especially "Gun" season in Indiana . Kids are our hunting future but changing season dates will never over rule sports or school in their minds and life. They are young and simply will get to hunting if lead not pushed in their own time! Do not underestimate them wanting to hunt just because they don't see bucks behind every tree or take one every year .My7 sons are now grown and almost grown and the were athleats and busy all the time .But they hunted when they wanted too and they did not have to kill something or see a buck every time they hunted .They are really very good hunters now nad I do not expect them to ever quit . |
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Post by indianahick on Mar 20, 2009 16:20:28 GMT -5
I think that if you would check you will find that the Ill firearms is in the rut. Also if you really look at it you will realize that the Ill firearms is not ran by the DNR purse it is ran by the anti firearms legislates out of northern Ill. It appears that the southern legislators are somewhat more pro firearms. You want to kill less bucks them make the OBR mean just that ONE buck not second, third, forth for Military, State Park, Urban Zone hunts.
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?.....is this poll for ways to Reduce to Deer Herd in over populated areas ? ...Or the Whole State in Grenal?
