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Post by Woody Williams on May 11, 2007 17:10:34 GMT -5
Why Is Bush Being Blamed for Cheating Dental Students?
By John Gibson
Look at this quote today from a newspaper in Indiana about a cheating scandal at the Indiana University Dental School in which nine students were kicked out of school and 16 were suspended and 21 more were reprimanded. That means that 46 students out of a student body of 95 were involved in the cheating — more than half of IU's dental school.
So what do the academics who are teaching these students have to say for such a high rate of cheating in their institutions? They blame George Bush, of course.
Here's what Dr. Anne Koerber, associate professor of dentistry at the University of Illinois at Chicago, an expert in dental education had to say: "When you have persons in high places who clearly lie about what's happening with weapons of mass destruction... I think the general public gets the idea that anything that makes money is what's right."
Students cheat on a dental college test and the reason is Bush lies about weapons of mass destruction? You can argue about WMD all you want, and even after you reject everything that George Tenet has said and Bob Woodward and Bush himself — as well as the heads of foreign intel services — but when you blame cheating dentists on George Bush it shows you have come off the rails.
What this shows to me is that the left lie machine is very good. People do actually believe everything — everything — is Bush's fault. And I think if they would kill our enemies abroad as effectively as they kill political opponents at home, this country would be much better off.
That's My Word.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on May 11, 2007 17:38:28 GMT -5
That doesn't surprise me one bit coming from a liber campus.My girlfriend works there and it's kind crazy most of the time.Nothing they do makes any sense..My brother in law works the in HVAC and he said they got upset when there trucks were getting more miles on them and they parked some of them,only thing was,they moved the shop a few miles away from where it was.Anyways,everything is Bushes fault,coming fromt he lefties.
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 11, 2007 19:17:24 GMT -5
If California and Illinois had a lovechild, it would still be more conservative than the average IU student. Dr. Koerber is astute enough to realize that if you point at someone else, you might shift eyes away from the true problem. This is the ONLY play in a liberal's playbook. Well, not the only one, they aren't above name calling.
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Post by tmarsh83 on May 11, 2007 20:46:04 GMT -5
Clinton got his jewels off and said it wasn't sex. I blame him for affairs and the divorce rate.
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Post by bsutravis on May 12, 2007 5:12:57 GMT -5
I agree w everything said...... But do keep in mind that the prof that is quoted was NOT an IU Professor. (Not to say that some of them don't have the same attitude towards the President)
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Post by parson on May 12, 2007 6:58:29 GMT -5
I wonder if Bush's failure to secure borders is to blame for my recent burglary??? Any lawyers here? parson
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Post by Woody Williams on May 12, 2007 7:20:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Bush's failure to secure borders is to blame for my recent burglary??? Any lawyers here? parson No doubt.... I also think he was the problem with the lack of two year old gobblers this year too. I don't remember a season this bad when Clinton was in office..
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Post by mbogo on May 12, 2007 11:22:32 GMT -5
I agree w everything said...... But do keep in mind that the prof that is quoted was NOT an IU Professor. (Not to say that some of them don't have the same attitude towards the President) Yes, I noticed that too and you are absolutely correct about the second part. I know of at least one from my time there and that was even before Iraq.
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Post by indianahick on May 12, 2007 12:10:38 GMT -5
Hey it was Bush's fault that Katrina was a force 5 hurricane and hit New Orleans and those people were too stupid to leave. Yeah Right.
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Post by drgreyhound on May 12, 2007 14:00:20 GMT -5
I agree w everything said...... But do keep in mind that the prof that is quoted was NOT an IU Professor. (Not to say that some of them don't have the same attitude towards the President) Yes, I noticed that too and you are absolutely correct about the second part. I know of at least one from my time there and that was even before Iraq. Yep about the IU professors--as much as I loved being a student there and living in Bloomington (not being facetious!!), it was hard being pretty much the only conservative sometimes, but it's generally hard to be a conservative on any college campus anymore. I can't believe someone supposedly trained--and with the job of training others--in the scientific method and logical thinking actually made such a stupid and uninformed comment, probably for personal gain and nothing else. Maybe I should believe it...that's how bad things are becoming with the "lefties"!!
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Post by danf on May 12, 2007 16:03:18 GMT -5
Want conservative on a college campus?? Stick with the south side of State Street at Purdue, it's probably the highest percentage of conservatives you'll find.... There was an even higher percentage several years ago before they moved the Liberal Arts department into the School of Ag boundaries.
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 12, 2007 21:32:50 GMT -5
Purdue? They should call it New New Delhi.
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Post by tmarsh83 on May 12, 2007 23:52:32 GMT -5
Anyone ever heard of Manchester College?
First College in the US to have "Peace Studies" dept...
Talk about a liberal joke...
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Post by hunter480 on May 13, 2007 9:49:41 GMT -5
Back on subject-
The Bush haters are rabid if nothing else-and the non-sensical statement made by that prof, (doesn`t matter whether an IU prof or not), is just typical of the way they attempt to use ANY and EVERY situation they can to bash the President. Doesn`t matter to them if it`s reasonable or not-they`re so eaten up with their hatred of the man, they just can`t help themselves.
I`ll never forget seeing the video clip on the news, of Jessica Lange-her eyes were glaring, hatred was etched into her face, and she literally hissed the Presidents name-she was in Mexico I believe, and she stated that she was embarrassed to be an American, that she absolutely HATED Bush.
I believe that the hatred comes from the fact that he is a Christian, and outspoken in his faith-and that would be why the lefties hate him as well. It`s obscene to have someone in the public eye professing their faith.
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Post by Russ Koon on May 13, 2007 10:58:13 GMT -5
Hunter 480, I don't think that's the exact cause. Ronnie Reagan was an outspoken Christian as well, and seemed to be loved by most, including even a good number of more moderate lefties. Jimmy Carter was, too, and was loved by most, including many of us on the right who thought his foreign policy was loony and his domestic policy wasn't much better.
I think the part of Bush hatred that has to do with his religious beliefs is more because of his acting on those beliefs in opposition to the will of the public. His support of the gay marriage ban amendment, his opposition to stem cell research, and his support of faith-based programs intermingling with government programs, for instance, all constitute jumping over that "perfect wall of separation" of church and state that Jefferson tried to establish and believed so firmly in.
It's one thing to believe, and even be verbal about your beliefs. It's another matter to use your office to force your belief system on the public.
I'm a Bush supporter in most areas, including the war in Iraq. Nearly all my reservations about the man revolve around his crossing the line in several areas to push his belief system using his power as President. OK, not much of a fan of his immigration policy, either, but it could be even worse.
My main point is that we've had a pretty darn good run during the last two centuries plus as a country without electing presidents based on their religions, and without expecting the ones we elect to advance their personal religious beliefs into the realm of pubic policy. Some places, like the sandy ones our soldiers are now visiting, haven't been as fortunate in keeping their religion and government separate.
I think our way works better.
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Post by hunter480 on May 13, 2007 11:40:13 GMT -5
Hunter 480, I don't think that's the exact cause. Ronnie Reagan was an outspoken Christian as well, and seemed to be loved by most, including even a good number of more moderate lefties. Jimmy Carter was, too, and was loved by most, including many of us on the right who thought his foreign policy was loony and his domestic policy wasn't much better. I think the part of Bush hatred that has to do with his religious beliefs is more because of his acting on those beliefs in opposition to the will of the public. His support of the gay marriage ban amendment, his opposition to stem cell research, and his support of faith-based programs intermingling with government programs, for instance, all constitute jumping over that "perfect wall of separation" of church and state that Jefferson tried to establish and believed so firmly in. It's one thing to believe, and even be verbal about your beliefs. It's another matter to use your office to force your belief system on the public. I'm a Bush supporter in most areas, including the war in Iraq. Nearly all my reservations about the man revolve around his crossing the line in several areas to push his belief system using his power as President. OK, not much of a fan of his immigration policy, either, but it could be even worse. My main point is that we've had a pretty darn good run during the last two centuries plus as a country without electing presidents based on their religions, and without expecting the ones we elect to advance their personal religious beliefs into the realm of pubic policy. Some places, like the sandy ones our soldiers are now visiting, haven't been as fortunate in keeping their religion and government separate. I think our way works better. Russ- As always, a pleasure to exchange ideas and opinions with you. I agree with most of what you`ve said-the major exceptions being gay marriage and stem cell research- But as far as Reagan and Carter go, the world was a much different place in those days-that was before al gore frothed at the mouth-screaming that the election had been stolen from him-and many non-thinking Americans believed him. It was before September 11, 2001, when we had thousands of innocent Americans killed by radical muslim fanatics-a much different place. There is a hate in the world today that I`ve never seen before. It`s as the Scripture states-that in the end times, men will call good evil, and evil good. Times are much different-and I do believe that much of the hatred of Bush is simply because he is an outspoken Christian-and as an aside, the majority of Americans do not support gay marriage-quite the contrary, most are appalled at the thought. Anyway Russ-always good talking with you.
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 13, 2007 20:38:11 GMT -5
Back on subject- The Bush haters are rabid if nothing else I believe that the hatred comes from the fact that he is a Christian, and outspoken in his faith-and that would be why the lefties hate him as well. It`s obscene to have someone in the public eye professing their faith. Gotta take a diametric stand here. 100% actually. Bush claiming to be Christian has no bearing on anything. I hate the man, but it has nothing to do with his religious beliefs. He is a blatant liar, and he proves it almost daily. Anytime he talks about immigration reform or illegals in any manner he proves it once again. He wants to grant 12-50 million illegals amnesty. He has promised Mexico amnesty will happen. He is pushing for the NAU. He is a 100% bought and paid for 'oil man.' These are all prov-en facts, not just hatred expressed by another 'rabid' Bush hater. I had little use for Clinton, as he also proved to be a liar under oath. The last man I thought was actually trying to better the country was Reagan. Did not agree with everything he said either, but he had my trust, whether misplaced or deserved. Most I know who are anti Bush are not so for any of the reasons I have seen 'offered' here. No one I know is trying to blame Bush, or the current administration for everything. There are of course those factions who are anti WHO THE HECK EVER is in charge at any time. I do not think most of us against Bush are among them. Now, as for the kids who seem to think cheating is ok as it gets them what they want. . . . Our government, our court system, our movies and basically everything about our culture backs up the 'gratification now at any cost' concept. You all know this to be true. In the workplace, you kiss posterior to get promoted and a decent raise. And save all your 'hard work and integrity pays off' bs. I have been in management, and am very familiar with what does and does not get a person a raise or a promotion. In management, you then get very adept at lying and intimidation to further your position. In big business, you cut your peers throats at any chance in order to better your shot at that higher paying position. In government, you spend several millions of dollars to get a job that pays less than 1/2 million a year. In most years, you vote for the person whom you feel is lying the least. Our government is cutting all our throats to push amnesty and support outsourcing our jobs all across America. Now, is Bush guilty of causing all of this? Not at all. But he is a real contributing factor in its progression. Bush's fault for kids cheating? Yes and no, with the percentage itself being the only debatable part. A President, who lies to us all daily, is a rather good indication of what is NOT important in America, or to American success. . . . .
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 13, 2007 20:47:35 GMT -5
. . . . is more because of his acting on those beliefs in opposition to the will of the public. It's one thing to believe, and even be verbal about your beliefs. It's another matter to use your office to force your belief system on the public. Exactly. The will of the People on the War, NAU and Illegal Immigration is overwhelmingly against, yet he bulls on through with HIS agenda supporting all of them. And the Patriot Act . . . If you do not hate it, you simply do not understand it.
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Post by tmarsh83 on May 13, 2007 20:59:42 GMT -5
I really don't want to get into this, but I am going to.
Hindsight is 20/20. The "will of people" pre-invasion, was in favor. Period.
This is why we are a republic and not a democracy.
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 13, 2007 21:31:06 GMT -5
I really don't want to get into this, but I am going to. Hindsight is 20/20. The "will of people" pre-invasion, was in favor. Period. This is why we are a republic and not a democracy. Yes, the public was in favor. THEN. WHy is it important that they were in favor then, so we went, but now that most are opposed, we stay? You don't like inconsistencies, remember? In this case, I don't either.
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