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Post by scrub-buster on Jul 18, 2009 18:56:37 GMT -5
My opinion: limit it to summer months, like May-Sept. and no later than midnight. I used to go out spotlighting creek bottoms and fields with a friend when I was younger. We never lit up anywhere near a house, just open fields.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 18, 2009 19:21:52 GMT -5
I really would like to see their definition of "spotlighting". Around these parts coyote trappers have been known to check their traps during dark hours with the aide of a spotlight to keep as little human sent and disturbance possible away from them, and to keep their location hidden. I personally have sat on the door of a truck with a 2 million candle power light and check sets across fields and only need to stop when traps were full or tripped. This might not be the intent of the idea, but will become a real issue if this is outlawed.
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Post by duff on Jul 18, 2009 19:25:20 GMT -5
So if the law states you can not shine a light from a vehicle with a weapon in possession I know many duck hunters that are in violation every year. It is tough to navigate a river in a boat or canoe without a spot light or find your blind. In the event you hear a comotion along the bank it is impossible not to shine up there... I just thought of that.
Still think outlawing shining is pushing the limits of the state's authority.
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Post by bsutravis on Jul 19, 2009 3:00:53 GMT -5
Slippery slope....... IMO shinning a spotlight onto private property is no different than taking out a camera with a long lens and photographing onto that same property. If you are on public property, than everything that is visible is fair game for the eye of the beholder.
So, lets pretend that this 'no spotlightling' law were to pass. How's it going to read? "It's unlawful for anyone to cast an artificial light from their vehicle in the attempt to make visible an animal" (or something like that) So, from there you'll have CO's making judgement calls on what your intentions were when you picked up and turned on that spotlight. Too many shades of gray in the Indiana Code as it is IMO. There are way too many legitimate reasons to LAWFULLY use a spotlight, and yes... some do involve hunting/trapping activities. Work on nailing the bass-turds to the wall when they do Jacklight and poach at night so others might be less likely to try it. Too many slaps on the wrists to deter these idiots from poaching at night....... make the punishment severe, and enforce the laws that are already on the books.
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Post by duff on Jul 19, 2009 7:35:50 GMT -5
Travis is it illegal to take a picture of an animal or landscape that is on private ground without consent from the owner?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 7:55:19 GMT -5
Here's a summary of what the Ky. law says about it, seems to work well. Least the CO doesn't have to wait for a deer to die before making a spotlighting arrest.
"No person may deliberately cast the rays of a spotlight or other artificial light into any field, pasture, woodlands or forest, whether public or private, where wildlife or domestic livestock may reasonably be expected to be located. Shining artificial lights into private residences or other structures is also prohibited. This does not apply to: the rays of headlights of vehicles engaged in a normal course of travel; lights being used in legitimate agricultural activities; to anyone involved in activities legitimate to his or her business or occupation; circumstances including lawful hunting activities; or any landowner, his or her immediate family or any paid employee while working on his or her land at that time. No person shall take wildlife, except raccoons, opossums, fishes and frogs, using lights or other means designed to blind wildlife or make wildlife visible at night."
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Post by raporter on Jul 19, 2009 8:25:38 GMT -5
We don't need no more stinking laws!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 8:45:38 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Jul 19, 2009 9:42:41 GMT -5
Personally, I think Kentucky's law is way more complicated for C.O.'s to enforce than ours. The way I read it and how my family there sees it, if you are driving down a road and your headlights shine a deer and you keep driving you are fine but if you stop or change your normal flow of driving then you are in violation.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 19, 2009 11:44:16 GMT -5
We don't need no more stinking laws! DITTO...
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Post by bsutravis on Jul 19, 2009 17:59:51 GMT -5
Travis is it illegal to take a picture of an animal or landscape that is on private ground without consent from the owner? No. If I'm on public property, I can video tape onto private property, shoot into windows, whatever I want to do in order to get a specific shot......as long as I'm on public property / right of way. Obviously as a photo journalist there are things that we will not do, such as showing minor children, disturbing images, etc... but technically if you are in view than you and your property are fair game.
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Post by bsutravis on Jul 19, 2009 18:03:51 GMT -5
I've got a LOT of problems with the way that KY law is written..... first and foremost any law that has the word, "Reasonably" in it is too broad and open to disgression. Like I said before, there are way too many shades of grey in the Indiana Code. A law should be as concrete as possible, and not allow for someone to guess what the intentions were of a possible 'violator'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 18:35:48 GMT -5
I've got a LOT of problems with the way that KY law is written..... first and foremost any law that has the word, "Reasonably" in it is too broad and open to disgression. Like I said before, there are way too many shades of grey in the Indiana Code. A law should be as concrete as possible, and not allow for someone to guess what the intentions were of a possible 'violator'. True but you have to believe that most of the CO's out there weren't born yesterday aand can decide on the merits of the incident if there is reason to believe there's a violation in the making.
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Post by jackc99 on Jul 19, 2009 21:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by duff on Jul 20, 2009 19:54:52 GMT -5
It is really a shame that we have legislators wanting to regulate where we point a flash light. I know there are some silly laws pushed, maybe in 100 years if this does ever become a regulation our decendants will have a "funny" email about weird laws that were passed years ago.
This really takes the cake IMO.
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 21, 2009 5:30:08 GMT -5
We don't need no more stinking laws! I can't believe some people, whatever they can do or laws they can pass to limit other peoples activity they go for it. I'm sick of everyone minding everyone's business but their own.
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Post by cambygsp on Jul 21, 2009 5:47:03 GMT -5
Whats the difference between a spotlight beam hitting a deer or a trail cam flash (beam of light) hitting a deer?
I would say if spotlighting is outlawed then trail cams with a flash also should fall into the same catagory as spotlights.
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 21, 2009 5:53:17 GMT -5
Whats the difference between a spotlight beam hitting a deer or a trail cam flash (beam of light) hitting a deer? I would say if spotlighting is outlawed then trail cams with a flash also should fall into the same catagory as spotlights. The difference is that the trailcam doesn't shine into your window while you're trying to sleep, trespass on your property, or poach deer. Equating a trailcam with a 2-3M candlepower spotlight is apples and oranges at best.
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Post by raporter on Jul 21, 2009 8:54:58 GMT -5
Whats the difference between a spotlight beam hitting a deer or a trail cam flash (beam of light) hitting a deer? I would say if spotlighting is outlawed then trail cams with a flash also should fall into the same catagory as spotlights. The difference is that the trailcam doesn't shine into your window while you're trying to sleep, trespass on your property, or poach deer. Equating a trailcam with a 2-3M candlepower spotlight is apples and oranges at best. Anyone who would shine a spotlight into your house would also poach a deer with one. Don't restrict those who do it responsibly. If someone shines a light into my house they will not like the responce they get. Spot lighting deer is legal, spot lighting a house is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2009 10:38:35 GMT -5
Whats the difference between a spotlight beam hitting a deer or a trail cam flash (beam of light) hitting a deer? I would say if spotlighting is outlawed then trail cams with a flash also should fall into the same catagory as spotlights. The issue involves the beam hitting houses and windows in those houses. The "non-hunting" segment of the local population doesn't know if a bullet is about to follow or not. We need to appaise ALL of the non-hunting population that we can. Note, these people are not anti-hunters until we turn them into one.
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