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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 25, 2009 11:20:49 GMT -5
how would you even know of his existance then? Its a harmless beam of light, nothing more. I don't want to get off topic, but you kind of made my point. None of that stuff is hunting (shining, trail cams). I think we are getting away from woodsmanship and knowing how to read sign, etc. I can tell you all about a half dozen bucks I will hunt this season and I don't shine or put out cams.
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 25, 2009 12:41:52 GMT -5
tracks are tracks , sign is sign, but ya dont KNOW what ya got till ya lay eyes on him. Not everyone has 20-30 hrs a week to watch beenfields at dusk....some of us have jobs, families etc. Its just a beam of light. and I'll put my woods skills against ANYBODYS
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Post by indianahick on Jul 25, 2009 12:44:29 GMT -5
I don't really have a dog in this spotlighting issue. Don't do it, never did. Since most wooded areas are privately owned there fore spot lighters are going to be shining on private property owned by others. Deer are a nocturnal animal, by nature. My feelings are that spot lighters that shine up outbuildings, homes, autos aren't just looking for deer, they want to see what someone else owns. Maybe spotlighting (for deer) should be regulated to a period of time; say from mid June to mid Sept.. That way pregnant does would not be stressed and hard antlered bucks after mid Sept would not be being lit up by anyone other than someone thinking about how and where they could drop that buck and then claim it as a legal kill. I remember when hunting magazines used to tell deer hunters to go out and spot light deer to find out where they were and then go as those land owners for hunting permission. It was touted as a hunting tool. And could still be used as one, if used correctly. You don't want to set up trail camera's on public land but you can spotlight to see where deer are running. As for coyote hunters. I didn't/don't think that they drive around and try to shine up coyotes with white light. I thought most coyote hunters use red light and sound recordings to hunt coyotes from blinds. As white light makes them run. But then again since I don't do it I could well be wrong.
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Post by indianahick on Jul 25, 2009 12:48:08 GMT -5
Oh yeah. I do remember when they put spot lights on cars. I believe that the police wanted them removed because to many people were using them to blind oncoming drivers or shining into cars and homes.
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 25, 2009 13:04:55 GMT -5
Like I said before, I dont do it but dont see any reason why others can't. h.h.
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Post by duff on Jul 25, 2009 18:17:58 GMT -5
This is not about stressing the animals, it is all about control over your land Period! You guys that have a problem with a guy shining a light on "your" buck, what do you do when you see a guy parked out front of your bean field with a spotting scope or telephoto camera taking pics of "your" deer? Should that be against the law. I am really he has no reason to do such a thing if he doesn't own the land or have permission to hunt that land. I see no difference.
I drive a butt load every year scouting for geese on other peoples property. Looking onto their property for geese/ducks in fields, rivers, ponds. I have no intention on hunting those geese unless I ask and gain permission but many times I will sit in front of the field and watch them fly in or out. Am I infringing on the property owners right by doing this too?
You guys are looking through a narrow narrow tunnel by saying I have no right to look into your fields. Not sure why anyone would be so paranoid to think it should be against the law!
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Post by firstwd on Jul 25, 2009 19:25:05 GMT -5
Excellent point Duff. Same here with the endless hours of "road hunting" waterfowl every year to see where the new birds are staying and following out to see where they are feeding. I have a good deal of farm land that I have access to to hunt geese, but they always seem to drop in a field I hadn't gotten permission to be on, yet. I have also been known to check a pond or two during the course of a night or two to see where and how many birds are roosting. Again, an area I don't hunt but birds that I do hunt because they travel.
The question is, are those activities wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 19:43:10 GMT -5
The analogy is off topic.....waterfowl migrate many more miles than deer do. It has absolutely nothing to do with spotlighting.
With deer, there is no reason for someone to scout property he doesn't have access to, be it with a light or not. Period. You want to scout deer, do it where you hunt. Shine your own property. I'll bet your success goes down a bunch if you do it there.
Not to mention that pressurering deer with a beam of light is only one aspect of the issue. The main one is that it's a poor use of the LE resourse that could be better used doing something else.
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Post by duff on Jul 25, 2009 19:49:55 GMT -5
So if your hunting land is within 100 yards, 1 mile, 10 miles should you have the right to look on your land? It is the same. Really it is once the law is published do you think it will say for deer only?
How many times have you had a deer show up that you've never seen before? If it is within several miles I'd say there is a chance it could show up in front of my stand. Besides what if I am taking pictures of "your" deer? What do you propose then?
I can even have a gun when I am taking a picture of "your" deer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 19:54:57 GMT -5
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Post by duff on Jul 25, 2009 19:58:23 GMT -5
Not to mention that pressurering deer with a beam of light is only one aspect of the issue. The main one is that it's a poor use of the LE resourse that could be better used doing something else. They don't have to chase every beam of light right now. If your dream comes to be a law they will have to chase them. That will increase their call to duty. Now they can make a personal decision based on tactics, hunches, or tips on who they choose to check.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 20:07:36 GMT -5
When the inevitable finally happens, there will be far less of them to chase, that's way it will be done. We'll all be better off for it, and so will "our" deer.
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Post by raporter on Jul 25, 2009 21:48:33 GMT -5
Most people I know who shine are not scouting. They just enjoy taking the wife and kids and go see the deer. Many of then don't even hunt but they get a thrill out of seeing deer.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 25, 2009 22:35:55 GMT -5
I have never done it, and personally don't see why it's a big thrill or a big deal, I take younguns driving around at dusk and we see plenty of deer. Kids don't need to see antlers to get excited. People spotlighting don't bother me one way or the other. Although I don't consider it scouting. I imagine most people are just out gawking.
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Post by throbak on Jul 26, 2009 9:02:55 GMT -5
whether you want to believe it or not people spotlight to shoot deer.And if it were against the law, and if you did it you would be subject to arrest. Most of you have not seen the constant parade of spot lighters nite after nite that shine your house, your livestock, turning around in your driveway,just to view a nice buck .and then it quits, the deer every one was interested in was poached ,he was shot on my land halfway down my mile long drive.the parade stops, by the way none of my neighbors are to happy with the lites either. do you think maybe KY.s getting big bucks. might be because they are not allowed to VIEW at nite with spotlights
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Post by duff on Jul 26, 2009 9:15:24 GMT -5
If that is what you want to believe, nothing will change your mind. If you really think poaching isn't still a problem in KY then you are in la-la land. This law will do nothing for poaching period, do nothing to give CO more time to go after real criminals, do nothing to protect "your" buck from road hunters, do nothing to protect other people from watching "your" buck.
What it will do is make a select few who are more concerned about "his" deer feel better for a few weeks until they convince themselves that nobody should be able to look accross the fields they control because they might see "his" buck.
It's been said here plenty of times but I guess for gun owners who have fought so hard to convice people that the tool does not make the criminal really are pushing hard to prove Rosie Odonal, Nancy Pelosi are correct. In your logic if we ban spotlighting we stop crime. In their eyes we ban guns we stop crime. It's a sad sad day when we have people that should really see the flaw in that logic using it to support their own greed.
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Post by danf on Jul 26, 2009 9:56:49 GMT -5
whether you want to believe it or not people spotlight to shoot deer.And if it were against the law, and if you did it you would be subject to arrest. Most of you have not seen the constant parade of spot lighters nite after nite that shine your house, your livestock, turning around in your driveway,just to view a nice buck .and then it quits, the deer every one was interested in was poached ,he was shot on my land halfway down my mile long drive.the parade stops, by the way none of my neighbors are to happy with the lites either. do you think maybe KY.s getting big bucks. might be because they are not allowed to VIEW at nite with spotlights So, someone TRESSPASSED and then POACHED a deer? Hmmmmm, that's two illegal activities. What in the world makes you think that adding a third (no spotlighting) would stop someone? The mentality of "Oh, no, I'm about to break ANOTHER law, I better not do it" Wake up and realize that spotlighting isn't causing poaching.
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Post by throbak on Jul 26, 2009 11:44:03 GMT -5
maybe it doesn't, but don't you wonder why some surrounding states have done away with it , or restricted it.
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Post by duff on Jul 26, 2009 12:13:36 GMT -5
No, I wonder why they would do it. Same as I wonder why they banned guns in DC. Flawed logic made into practice does not suddenly make it a good rule.
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 26, 2009 12:28:13 GMT -5
Duff,
You have made some very good points and I totally agree with you. h.h.
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