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Post by jkd on Nov 28, 2009 22:26:08 GMT -5
Any hammer-type action that has a half-cock "safe" position may be defeated if the user accidentally lowers the hammer past half cock and onto the firing pin. Even with a transfer bar, if there is one, may already have been positioned for firing and maybe pinned by the hammer pressure. At that point, if the hammer is struck by some sort of impact, as was evidently the case here, the gun will fire. www.firearmsid.com/A_FirearmFunction.htm
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Post by daworz on Nov 28, 2009 22:27:10 GMT -5
LaFontaine is'nt that in Grant County, I hunt close by around Missasinawa? Or is there another LaFontaine Indiana. Sorry to here about the Boy, Hope he will be able to make a full recovery. Sad story, But seems to happen every year, Even with all the precaution in place, and Hunters Safty Courses, Accidents Happen.
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Post by ridgerunner on Nov 28, 2009 22:36:56 GMT -5
I hate to hear these stories..My God why would you have a gun cocked and ready to fire before seeing a deer....? I assume it was a single shot H&R or something.. since hammer was used...I'll never understand..Hopefully the boy will survive..Poor kid.
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Post by evolutionsthunder on Nov 28, 2009 23:03:31 GMT -5
i can not imagine being in that situation. just pray the boy makes a full recovery!
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Post by bsutravis on Nov 29, 2009 2:36:46 GMT -5
Horrible situation...... Regardless of what the Father did or didn't do to create or prevent the accident, he'll live with this the rest of his life and nothing will ever take that pain from him. I hope the boy is able to make it out of the hospital alive after this tragedy.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2009 7:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 29, 2009 8:57:09 GMT -5
I had a mossberg shotgun once that you could put the safety on, pull the trigger and BOOM. chit happens. get off the high n mighty soapbox and pray for the child! Aint nothin you can say go9nna make the father feal any worse.
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Post by crazybuck on Nov 29, 2009 9:58:39 GMT -5
I said my prayers. I think this would be punishment enough for any father.
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Post by drs on Nov 29, 2009 13:08:35 GMT -5
That eight year old was too young to be taken hunting. Also WHY was the hammer on the firearm cocked? ? Anyway I hope the boy recovers.
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Post by greendeem on Nov 29, 2009 18:57:16 GMT -5
[ Child shot in hunting accident The Journal Gazette The boy and his father were hunting from a tree stand in LaFontaine when the boy accidentally knocked over a shotgun that had been set aside, a statement from the Huntington County Sheriff’s Department said. The gun fired when its hammer struck the floor of the tree stand.BULLCRAP. Every time there is an accidental shooting it's because a gun fell over and went off. I defy anyone to replicate this mystical event and videotape it. Lets pray the boy recovers. I've investigated accidents where this has happened, it's not "bullcrap." The problem is the use of old, single shot shotguns that do not have a hammer block. Lots of folks think that the best shotgun for a begining hunter is a single shot, which in my opinion is not true. A good pump gun is much safer. The gun, more than likely, was not cocked as some have said. What has happened in other situations that I have seen is the hammer is down, the gun falls and a limb or something hits the hammer, which in turn strikes the firing pin. I've investigated two of these, one fatality and one near.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2009 19:56:29 GMT -5
I had emailed the reporter of the story and asked about the young man's condition. She said the paper is doing an update tomorrow. I'll check it in the morning and report back.
Prayers for him..
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Post by 10point on Nov 29, 2009 20:17:17 GMT -5
That eight year old was too young to be taken hunting. Also WHY was the hammer on the firearm cocked? ? Anyway I hope the boy recovers. Are you saying 8 year olds shouldn't be hunting? My son is 10 and was deer hunting at 8. I wish all hunters were as safe as my son is.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2009 20:34:04 GMT -5
That eight year old was too young to be taken hunting. Also WHY was the hammer on the firearm cocked? ? Anyway I hope the boy recovers. Are you saying 8 year olds shouldn't be hunting? My son is 10 and was deer hunting at 8. I wish all hunters were as safe as my son is. SOME 8 years olds are too young.. Some 40 year olds are too young. Properly instructed both can be as safe in the woods as anyone else. Unsafe knows no age.... The article did not say anything about a "hammer being cocked".
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Post by lonniephillips on Nov 29, 2009 21:20:19 GMT -5
I'm sick to my stomach hearing this my prayers are with that boy and his family! GOD BLESS YOU !!!
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Post by bchittum on Nov 29, 2009 23:30:08 GMT -5
Drs. I don't mean to through stones but at what age do ya start to teach a child how to hunt. I myself have taken my son to the deer woods when he was 4 years old.
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Post by duff on Nov 30, 2009 6:34:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight Greendeem. I have witnessed a pump discharge after being dropped on the butt of the gun. The guy that dropped it onto a porch got his hat blown off and a few pellets through his carhart jacket. One lucky guy and scared.
Let us know what the updates are Woody. Thanks, Duff
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Post by drs on Nov 30, 2009 7:59:41 GMT -5
Drs. I don't mean to through stones but at what age do ya start to teach a child how to hunt. I myself have taken my son to the deer woods when he was 4 years old. First off a four or even a ten year old is NOT mature enough to handle or understand a firearm. A child's first gun should be a BB gun with STRICT adult supervision. The child can then learn basic safety skills before proceeding to a real firearm, at age 12 to 15 years old, with adult supervision. IMHO.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 30, 2009 8:34:09 GMT -5
8-year-old boy upgraded after hunting accidentAn 8-year-old Howard County boy wounded in a hunting accident Saturday is doing better, according to hospital officials. Deputies said Jacob Weaver of Greentown was in a tree stand hunting with his father, Glen Weaver, when the accident happened. The shooting was reported about 7:30 a.m. in a wooded area south of 9935 W. County Road 900 South, according to Huntington County deputies. The boy accidentally kicked the shotgun, knocking it over. The gun discharged, striking him in the left side of the chest, according to deputies. The boy was critically wounded. His condition had improved to serious but stable Sunday at Fort Wayne’s Parkview Hospital. Police said no charges will be filed. www.journalgazette.net/article/20091130/LOCAL07/911309993/1002/LOCAL
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Post by kennie on Nov 30, 2009 9:06:46 GMT -5
glad to hear he is doing better..
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Post by tickman1961 on Nov 30, 2009 9:26:01 GMT -5
Guns are mechanical, mechanical things are known to break....
Thoughts and prayers for the family.....
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