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Post by featherduster on Dec 27, 2009 7:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by deerbiskit on Dec 27, 2009 8:13:51 GMT -5
Nice pics, alot of big bucks.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 27, 2009 8:22:01 GMT -5
Lots of beautiful big bucks!
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Post by jabba on Dec 27, 2009 9:55:52 GMT -5
Things dreams, and obsessions, are made of.
Jabba
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Post by throbak on Dec 27, 2009 10:15:57 GMT -5
read the forums after the pic,s VERY INTERESTING IS THIS WHAT IND WANTS or maybe start another thread on this subject
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 27, 2009 12:42:37 GMT -5
read the forums after the pic,s VERY INTERESTING IS THIS WHAT IND WANTS or maybe start another thread on this subject those opportunities come with a price for sure, big money people around our state are forming big clubs to lock up big chunks of ground because of our gun season pressure during the rut.. so it is already happening here, regardless, guess it could get worse, idk
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 27, 2009 13:26:53 GMT -5
read the forums after the pic,s VERY INTERESTING IS THIS WHAT IND WANTS or maybe start another thread on this subject those opportunities come with a price for sure, big money people around our state are forming big clubs to lock up big chunks of ground because of our gun season pressure during the rut.. so it is already happening here, regardless, guess it could get worse, idk I don't believe that for a minute. They are locking up big chunks of ground for their own selfish reasons not because of "our gun season pressure during the rut.." What are they going to do? Lock up that ground and then don't hunt the present gun season? I'll believe that when I see it.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 27, 2009 15:36:01 GMT -5
Woody!
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Post by throbak on Dec 27, 2009 17:13:45 GMT -5
what I was referring to was the influx of out of staters that come here just to get a deer period, we do all the work ,.and then our neighbor sees dollar signs, then all our work is for some one else[ outfitters] who see big bucks, for our big bucks lets keep our buck management to ourselves and keep the things as they are as far as the seasons are concerned and run QDMA out of our state notice how many times they were mentioned on getting ILL, where they are???
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Post by indianahick on Dec 27, 2009 17:55:25 GMT -5
If they are locking up big chunks of land then they will be selling hunts on those blocks of land. They will be turning parts of the state into Southern Illinois. I guess that means that those want us to be more like Ill are getting their wish. Watch what you wish for. You may just get it and not like it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2009 18:46:47 GMT -5
If they are locking up big chunks of land then they will be selling hunts on those blocks of land. They will be turning parts of the state into Southern Illinois. I guess that means that those want us to be more like Ill are getting their wish. Watch what you wish for. You may just get it and not like it. what I was referring to was the influx of out of staters that come here just to get a deer period, we do all the work ,.and then our neighbor sees dollar signs, then all our work is for some one else[ outfitters] who see big bucks, for our big bucks lets keep our buck management to ourselves and keep the things as they are as far as the seasons are concerned and run QDMA out of our state notice how many times they were mentioned on getting ILL, where they are??? You two done got me confused......are you trying to say you don't like big bucks or that you just don't like it when someone else kills one of them?
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 28, 2009 7:52:51 GMT -5
those opportunities come with a price for sure, big money people around our state are forming big clubs to lock up big chunks of ground because of our gun season pressure during the rut.. so it is already happening here, regardless, guess it could get worse, idk I don't believe that for a minute. They are locking up big chunks of ground for their own selfish reasons not because of "our gun season pressure during the rut.." What are they going to do? Lock up that ground and then don't hunt the present gun season? I'll believe that when I see it. seen it in a couple different good areas, buy or lease as much of the hunting ground in an area, it doesn't take long to figure out that firearm pressure is the big factor, of course the ground has to be worth it and available. I could care less because I've made sure it won't affect me, it is just an interesting situation to me. Like I said, it probably would be worse..
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Post by racktracker on Dec 28, 2009 8:55:44 GMT -5
I don't believe that for a minute. They are locking up big chunks of ground for their own selfish reasons not because of "our gun season pressure during the rut.." What are they going to do? Lock up that ground and then don't hunt the present gun season? I'll believe that when I see it. seen it in a couple different good areas, buy or lease as much of the hunting ground in an area, it doesn't take long to figure out that firearm pressure is the big factor, of course the ground has to be worth it and available. I could care less because I've made sure it won't affect me, it is just an interesting situation to me. Like I said, it probably would be worse.. I don't follow you. Are you saying that these people will lease ground and not put any "firearm pressure" on the bucks on that ground? IOW - a bow ONLY lease.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 28, 2009 9:50:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure either but what I think he (freedomhunter)was saying is they are coming to Indiana due to the fact that indiana has a gun season during prime rut vs other states. Makes it easy to sell hunts as there is a much better chance to knock a few down. Imagine having the option to hunt with firearms Nov 14th in Illinois, wow! You think they kill some big ones now!!!!
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Post by indianahick on Dec 28, 2009 12:45:46 GMT -5
Big bucks? What do you call a big buck? Large antlers or large body? I prefer body over antlers. Don't even give that inane thing about the same size deer with different antlers. It should be smaller with larger antlers vs large body and small antlers to make it a decent question. Now back to the original statement. Last buck I shot was 4 years ago, field dressed at 200 lbs. Didn't have much of a rack. When we took him into the check/processors couple of people sneered. at the size of the antlers. And waved to wards theirs. I asked what theirs weighed. Could tell they were smaller bodied. After seeing theirs weighed I sneered. What I don't like should have been evident but I will make it simpler to understand. Outfitters buying or leasing up big chunks of land take away from resident hunters. No local hunters hunt in So. Ill unless they pay. Land owners aside. It is not the length of season that will draw out of stater's. It is the size and quality of the deer. Dale Earnhard hunted So. Ill and Iowa befor he died. Why would someone that owned what he owned hunt there. Size and quality. I thought Ill firearms was during the rut. I didn't realize that their rut doesn't coincide with Indiana's. Gotta love those anti states though. But if you wait another year or so Osama will take care of that for you.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 28, 2009 13:11:41 GMT -5
I think it's a few weeks later than ours (Illinois). As with Indiana, Illinois has the same whitetail strain. Outfitters come here and buy or lease property to offer hunts for big deer during mid-Nov with a firearm weeks before Illinois has theirs. I like a big bodied mature deer also but racks sell hunts to the guys buying. A guy with some cash can come here with his gun, buy a hunt and 2 weeks later go hunt Illinois. I live in a county where leasing is not much of an issue but I could see where that would get frustrating for the locals. Someone could help me out on this but isn't the first Ill gun season early Dec?
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Post by tickman1961 on Dec 28, 2009 15:37:29 GMT -5
Mass personified....holy smokes batman
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 28, 2009 16:32:58 GMT -5
seen it in a couple different good areas, buy or lease as much of the hunting ground in an area, it doesn't take long to figure out that firearm pressure is the big factor, of course the ground has to be worth it and available. I could care less because I've made sure it won't affect me, it is just an interesting situation to me. Like I said, it probably would be worse.. I don't follow you. Are you saying that these people will lease ground and not put any "firearm pressure" on the bucks on that ground? IOW - a bow ONLY lease. What I have seen, trophy hunters that don't want to go to Ohio or Illinois, buy or lease big amounts of ground to keep the majority of two and three year old bucks from getting killed during 32 days of firearms. People of means that get what they want, they want that quality of hunting HERE. I don't care whether you have seen it or not, I look at some of the best hunting ground this state has to offer and it IS happening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 18:50:24 GMT -5
You got me wondering......Are NR trophy hunters the only ones doing these terrible things and shutting out all the local guys??? Wonder how it is that these rascal get all the good ground??? Wonder if any of this good ground is also taken away from the locals by some rich resident trophy hunters and outfitters. Wonder how many out-of-state outfitters there is in Indiana? ? Just wondering Illinois hunts start the weekend following Ind., always on the weekend before T-givings day then again the weekend after T-givings day and then again the following weekend. Indiana is hunting with a firearm of some sort on all of those days. As for big bucks, I prefer big bodies AND big antlers. Indiana AND Illinois can provide both, but it seems that Illinos might have a few more on average.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 28, 2009 19:55:43 GMT -5
Two years ago Illinois first gun season came in a day BEFORE Indiana's opening day.
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