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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 28, 2010 8:57:07 GMT -5
I have been hearing much talk of the possibility of an antlerless deer season so I thought I would do a poll here to see what would be most preferred. It seems there are five basic ideas being talked about so I am going to stick with these five. If you have other ideas please do post them up. Proposal No. One – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration starting in September the week prior to the start of early archery. Move the youth hunt a week earlier. Proposal No. Two – any legal weapon, 3 days in duration placed in between the youth hunt and the start of early archery. Proposal No. Three – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration starting when firearms season traditionally opens with firearms season starting immediately after and no resting period between. Firearms would run its same 16 days just a week later. Proposal No. Four – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration at the end of December. Proposal No. Five - any legal weapon, 7 days in duration after the late archery season. While I personally do not think that the state of Indiana is over run with deer it seems that those in charge are going to implement changes and I really don’t want to stand by on the sidelines and not give some input. I also understand that folks at DNR do visit the local forums so lets give them some constructive ideas and thoughts to work with. Mr. Mark Reiter is the Director for the IDNR Fish & Game and I am told he is the top dog in this deer reduction project, his email address is MREITER@dnr.IN.govDrop him an email to express your thoughts, please provide him good clear reasons for whatever you feel should be done.
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 28, 2010 9:05:26 GMT -5
My choice would be the early 7-day season prior to the start of early archery. Right or wrong, some of my reasons for this are… 1. Deer are still in summer patterns which will make it easy to pattern them resulting in a larger kill. 2. Less does for the bucks to breed during the rut means less newborn next year. 3. First opportunity to get out in the woods with whatever legal weapon you choose, I think people will be excited to get out and hunt. 4. Least amount of disruption to all of the other established seasons; the bow hunters still get to enjoy their early rut hunt, the gun hunters still get to hunt their traditional part of the rut. 5. Deer will have time to settle back into their normal rut routines. 6. I am sure that a majority of those participating would be using firearms and we all know the biggest kills of our hunting seasons come on an opening weekend of a firearms hunt.
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 28, 2010 9:23:49 GMT -5
I really don't like any of them so I won't be voting. If they have to do something I guess I would go for extending ML a week before any of those.
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Post by deerman1 on Mar 28, 2010 10:08:08 GMT -5
This is really a no brainer if the state authorities really want to hit the antler less deer herd at their easiest to get time it is when they herd up into the yarding herds of as many as 20 - 199 deer depending where you are at in the state . That is the late season . at the end of DEC .This is when the majority of deer hunters are off work because of holiday vacations the gun hunters would love to get the guns out one more time and at no other time of year are deer so visible or easy to take .
Around traditional gun season the rut has the deer stirred up and off pattern also it would likely drive the bucks into a nocturnal or survival type mode just prior to gun season and this would likely make the majority of the gun hunter who want a good buck very very angry I know it would be .
. The early season has patterns but way way too much cover and crops up it will only serve to push the whole deer herd into a more nocturnal pattern long before they should be and honestly it is very dangerous to be shooting in the small wood lots throughout the state when the cover and crops are up it would likely result in bad things happening t o good people in the long run.
The archery season is just that the archery season and its tuff enough for most archery hunters to score more pressure is not going to help them out in the least this would anger every archery hunter in the state.
Lat archery season is covered over by the ML season for two weeks so moving there would be redundant and really just silly .
So in fact that lest week of DEC into JAN would be perfect to catch sportsmen a break and allow then a respite from the holidays and chance at multiple deer where its needed due to the ease of hunting deer at this vulnerable time of herding up.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2010 11:09:28 GMT -5
I agree with huntmeister in that we should have an early all weapons antlerless hunt.
I'd go for a full 9 days encompassing two weekends when most hunters are off work and most deer get killed. Start it October 1.
Most bowhunters do not get serious about deer hunting until the last week of October and the first two weeks of November. Small impact on bowhunters.
Taking of does early allows the woods to calm down before the pre-rut and will produce a more intense rut.
No way... Gun hunters will be up in arms (no pun intended). This moves the buck gun season further away from the rut which gunhunters are now getting the tail end of the rut.
One week of hunters and guns in the woods for antlerless deer will push the bucks nocturnal before the "real" gun season comes in. Everyone on here that gun hunts knows as the season progresses it is tougher and tougher to see a buck, much less kill one. Why? They go nocturnal when man shows up in the woods. This would be a total disruption immediately before any gun hunter gets a chance at a buck. One year of that and there will be mutiny against the IDNR.
Lots of hunters take a week of vacatio every year to deer hunt. They will NOT take a week of vacation to hunt "does".
The IDNR WILL make changes... let your voices be heard.
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Post by racktracker on Mar 28, 2010 11:45:09 GMT -5
I agree with huntmeister in that we should have an early all weapons antlerless hunt. I'd go for a full 9 days encompassing two weekends when most hunters are off work and most deer get killed. Start it October 1. Most bowhunters do not get serious about deer hunting until the last week of October and the first two weeks of November. Small impact on bowhunters. Taking of does early allows the woods to calm down before the pre-rut and will produce a more intense rut. No way... Gun hunters will be up in arms (no pun intended). This moves the buck gun season further away from the rut which gunhunters are now getting the tail end of the rut. One week of hunters and guns in the woods for antlerless deer will push the bucks nocturnal before the "real" gun season comes in. Everyone on here that gun hunts knows as the season progresses it is tougher and tougher to see a buck, much less kill one. Why? They go nocturnal when man shows up in the woods. This would be a total disruption immediately before any gun hunter gets a chance at a buck. One year of that and there will be mutiny against the IDNR. Lots of hunters take a week of vacatio every year to deer hunt. They will NOT take a week of vacation to hunt "does". The IDNR WILL make changes... let your voices be heard. I agree... or just make it two weekends only.. BUT be sure it is the first week of archery season. The first week of the traditional opening week would be the absolute WORST time to do it. Bucks will be moving and this will totally disrupt them and send them nocturnal in a hurry. I also think that there would be more big bucks getting poached/ dropped that week as they are following does. I know that poachers are poachers, but that will be putting a temptation out there that would not be a problem the next week. Kill the does before the pre-rut starts. Less does = a more intense rut.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2010 12:10:49 GMT -5
I thought Indiana already has a antlerless season? Don't fix what isn't broke.
You want more does killed, find out what the problem is with not getting it done now. I'd suggest lowering doe tag prices for one. I know NR hunters are a minority, but not many of them will pay $150 for a doe when a lot of them can kill them for pocket change at home.
Second, expand the Hunters for the Hungry programs in the state. No one will kill anything after they have their freezer full.
Don't move any season now in place. DNR has the data on the dates as they are and it already is dang close to getting the job done as is. Tweek if needed with a late clean up season of two days or so.
BTW--Once a guy has his buck tag filled, he won't be out there hunting much.
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Post by beehunter on Mar 28, 2010 12:19:11 GMT -5
I can't believe you guys are wanting more does killed that tehy are killing now.
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Post by drs on Mar 28, 2010 12:23:43 GMT -5
How about allowing ONLY one Deer per year of either sex. The Hunter can then choose which Deer he/she can harvest but only one per season.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 28, 2010 12:37:36 GMT -5
How about allowing ONLY one Deer per year of either sex. The Hunter can then choose which Deer he/she can harvest but only one per season. Pretty sure that will never happen! The DNR, or at least the pressure being applied to the DNR want more deer killed, not less.
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Post by drs on Mar 28, 2010 12:51:05 GMT -5
How about allowing ONLY one Deer per year of either sex. The Hunter can then choose which Deer he/she can harvest but only one per season. Pretty sure that will never happen! The DNR, or at least the pressure being applied to the DNR want more deer killed, not less. I think that "pressure" being applied to the IDNR comes from the Insurance Companies. They simply want more Deer harvested so there will be less to cause car accidents so they won't have to payout a claim. There really needs to be a Biological evaluation on Deer harvest other than pressure from an insurance company.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2010 12:53:57 GMT -5
I can't believe you guys are wanting more does killed that they are killing now. There is no doubt that some areas do not need any deer thinning as of right now, but some areas are over run with deer. Granted a lot of these areas are somewhat off limits as access is nil. The IDNR needs to control/reduce the numbers in these areas some how or another. A smaller herd is easier to manage than a large herd. We also have to remember that the IDNR does not just work for us deer hunters. They have many, many "bosses" to answer to. Some of these "bosses" have conflicting goals. Deer management is a tough unenviable job. .
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Post by buddylee on Mar 28, 2010 13:00:54 GMT -5
the earlier the better, i dont want a bunch out there messing up hunting the first week of gun and before the rut.
late would not be too bad either, just dont do a doe hunt right before the gun season
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 28, 2010 13:35:17 GMT -5
HOW ABOUT JUST LEAVE THE SEASON THE WAY IT IS!!!!.............turkey scout
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 28, 2010 13:52:43 GMT -5
HOW ABOUT JUST LEAVE THE SEASON THE WAY IT IS!!!!.............turkey scout I wish we could just leave it be but the folks in charge have stated that they are going to take steps to reduce the numbers and have asked for hunter input. I believe we should give them constructive ideas that we can live with and no change doesn't fall into that category.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 28, 2010 14:24:51 GMT -5
don't know if any of those will work that great, voted #3, probably the best way to get shooters to hunt a doe, earn-a-buck is the ultimate way to get it done (not really desirable)
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Post by jjas on Mar 28, 2010 14:52:12 GMT -5
A couple of the guys from "another site" told me about your site and that I should get in on a great thing over here.
As I've been involved in this discussion over "there" too, I thought I'd drop my .02 cents in. Hope you don't mind.
There is a group of folks discussing changing the first week of gun season to an antlerless only, any weapon season.
While I think the state has provided plenty of tags to manage the herd and the harvest data supports the fact that hunters are killing more deer every year, apparently for the state it isn't enough.
Now, I personally think that many of these deer that are causing the car accidents/crop depredation and what not are located in areas that either don't allowing hunting/won't allow doe hunting/are located in subdivisions/behind shopping malls/industrial areas that type of thing.
Having said that, I feel that if the state is bent on doing it, why not have a short, any weapon, antlerless season the first weekend of October that's financed with a special 3 day tag that costs....say less than $15.00?
The deer are on predictable patterns, if the does are thinned in October it will allow for a more compact, intense rut. The bucks won't run themselves ragged trying to breed the excess does and bowhunters and gunhunters will get to enjoy the seasons as is. Less deer means more available food during the fall/winter and less stress on the does means healthier fawns. The fawns born the next year won't be dropped so late and will have a better chance @ survival the next fall/winter.
So if it's necessary (according to the state) what do you guys think about the proposal outlined above?
Thanks.
Jim
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Post by huxbux on Mar 28, 2010 15:02:13 GMT -5
Why is an additional hunting season the only option being considered for harvesting more does? Seems the object could be achieved somehow during the three month span the deer seasons already occupy.
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 28, 2010 15:07:04 GMT -5
Why is an additional hunting season the only option being considered for harvesting more does? Seems the object could be achieved somehow during the three month span the deer seasons already occupy. I don't know that this is the only option but it is one that seems to be getting the most mileage. Have you some ideas we could discuss?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2010 15:17:11 GMT -5
1. Price doe tags for NR's the same as for residents. Lower the price to just enough to cover admin costs.
2. Create a FREE Hunters for the Hungry program
3. Keep hunters in the woods in high population areas....maybe with an extra buck tag if by no other way.
4. Remove ALL barriers to create additional interest in deer hunting. This would include allowing x-bow in early archery with NO strings attached.
5. No NEW seasons needed, just tweek the exisisting ones to get the desired effects.
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