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Post by GS1 on Sept 3, 2013 14:13:23 GMT -5
Predator hunter, why is it that most times when you hear of people in favor of wolves, they do not live in an area that currently has wolves?
If they're such a good idea, you would think the hunters/ranchers out west, in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan would be more accepting of their presence?
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Post by josephwrealty on Sept 4, 2013 1:12:46 GMT -5
I know that not every single hunter in those states is against the reintroduction of a native species into it's native habitat. I know a hunters from Wisconsin including deer hunters that have no problem with it what so ever. Does the reintroduction of a top tier native predator(s) into it's natural environment come with pros and cons? Well yes it does especially depending on how you choose to view the situation and how your attitude is set toward conservation, self centered goals etc. Am I going to get into a argument over the subject no I'm not. My viewpoint and approach to hunting and conservation maybe not the same as yours yet considering this is a free country we live in we are allowed to agree to disagree.
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Post by GS1 on Sept 4, 2013 6:21:54 GMT -5
Not looking for an argument, just wondering why the supporting hunters aren't more vocal.
Outside of Canada, I've only spent two weeks in wolf territory. I fished with a guide one day and he didn't care a whole lot for them.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 4, 2013 7:44:31 GMT -5
I just don't see why they can't limit the wolves to the National Parks, like Yellowstone, and declare them fair game once they step off of the park. I guess I am more of a conservationist than a preservationist, in that I believe our public wildlife areas should be managed largely for human purposes in a way that can be sustained indefinitely. Allowing wolves to multiply while also allowing big game hunting opportunities to continue at their current levels is just not sustainable. When push comes to shove, I side with hunters and farmers/ranchers over wolves.
Let's not forget that people are also a native species to this continent. I do believe that all native wildlife have a rightful place in their natural environment, and humans should be at the top of that hierarchy. Wolves keep coyote and fox numbers in check, we are the only species that can keep wolves in check.
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Post by josephwrealty on Sept 4, 2013 8:34:42 GMT -5
As for why other hunters who don't have an issue with wolves or mt.lions etc don't speak up. I can't speak for them other than the hunters whom I know are not on this forum. As far as how to actively manage there introduction and there existence within the food chain. Look at my forum name "predator hunter" of course I am for hunting them legally during a regulated season. Personally I think that if they wander outside of management units they should be fair game if they have an established healthy population. I spoke up about an individual killing a mt.lion in an area in which they are as of yet still trying to establish a stable healthy population and the cat in question was not acting in an aggressive manor toward the individuals that killed it. Being a hunter that enjoys chasing deer as much as I do coyotes or wolves or mt.lions or bobcats etc etc I agree humans should be on top of the pyramid but room should be made for all gods creatures. A healthy balance should be maintained.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 5, 2013 8:09:27 GMT -5
As for why other hunters who don't have an issue with wolves or mt.lions etc don't speak up. I can't speak for them other than the hunters whom I know are not on this forum. As far as how to actively manage there introduction and there existence within the food chain. Look at my forum name "predator hunter" of course I am for hunting them legally during a regulated season. Personally I think that if they wander outside of management units they should be fair game if they have an established healthy population. I spoke up about an individual killing a mt.lion in an area in which they are as of yet still trying to establish a stable healthy population and the cat in question was not acting in an aggressive manor toward the individuals that killed it. Being a hunter that enjoys chasing deer as much as I do coyotes or wolves or mt.lions or bobcats etc etc I agree humans should be on top of the pyramid but room should be made for all gods creatures. A healthy balance should be maintained. I was not actually directing my post at you or any other one person in particular, your opinion actually sounds pretty close to my own. It is the liberal hippies who fought the delisting of wolves in the Northern Rockies and who spend time making "wolf hunting sabotage guides." The ones that know and contribute absolutely nothing to real conservation, yet claim to know how to manage game populations 1000 miles away from them better than the concerned states do themselves. minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/08/13/environment/wolf-sabotage-guide
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Post by josephwrealty on Sept 5, 2013 20:22:40 GMT -5
Just reading that article got me fired up. Those individuals really irk me. I am just waiting to have a run in with that type of individual while coyote hunting. The interaction should be entertaining at least.
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Post by Russ Koon on Dec 4, 2013 18:02:10 GMT -5
Have to side with those who don't see a place for lions or wolves in our modern countryside, at least in areas populated as densely as IN.
I think it's completely unrealistic to expect the peaceful coexistence of such predators with humans. There have been people killed, and will be more people killed, to exercise some dreamers' longing for a time long gone where we might have shared a more scarcely populated landscape.
Bears are borderline, IMO, and they are omnivores with a taste for lots of vegetation and insects, who usually den up and hibernate during the winters. Other apex predators with the need for meat in their diets in greater proportion, will find those unaware and slow kids at the bus stops to be easy and delicious when they run low on deer and neighborhood pets during the hunger moon.
Does it actually have to happen for some people to see the probability increasing until it does?
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