Land owner tags

[lugnutz]

Do you all realize that if our DNR charged, instead of just giving away land owner tags, it would have generated nearly 1 million dollars, just this year?

[hornharvester]

So you want a land owner to pay to hunt his own land? If hes a farmer then he also get to feed those deer with his crops at a rate of about $500.00 for each deer in lost crops each year. Plus he also gets to pay several hundred if not a few thousand dollars of taxes on his land the deer live on. Call me selfish but I think the land owner pays enough to cover the $24.00 deer tag. h.h.

[lugnutz]

Feb 22, 2011 22:55:30 GMT -5 @hornharvester said:

So you want a land owner to pay to hunt his own land? If hes a farmer then he also get to feed those deer with his crops at a rate of about $500.00 for each deer in lost crops each year. Plus he also gets to pay several hundred if not a few thousand dollars of taxes on his land the deer live on. Call me selfish but I think the land owner pays enough to cover the $24.00 deer tag. h.h.

Your right, their would be no other way to take care of the problems of having deer damage on your property.

[hankhunter]

I'm a landowner and find this interesting. Maybe the next time your asking a landowner for permission to hunt his land for free you can explain your million dollar idea to him.

[drs]

Feb 23, 2011 7:02:35 GMT -5 hankhunter said:

I'm a landowner and find this interesting. Maybe the next time your asking a landowner for persission to hunt his land for free you can explain your million dollar idea to him.

I am also a Landowner & pay taxes on my land. THAT'S ENOUGH!! I hunt on my own land each season and have no need to hunt anywhere else. If I happen to find an area, other than my own place, I'll Kindly purchase a Hunting License & Tags.

[lugnutz]

Feb 23, 2011 7:02:35 GMT -5 hankhunter said:

I'm a landowner and find this interesting. Maybe the next time your asking a landowner for persission to hunt his land for free you can explain your million dollar idea to him.

First off its not an idea, just facts. Do a lil research.

Everybody wantin somethin for nothin, no wonder this country is in the shape that it is.

[gobblerstopper]

If they would just enforce the landowner license exceptions the way it is written and intended they would have probably generated half of that 1 million.

[hankhunter]

The only something for nothing I see is, I buy the land, I improve it, I pay the taxes and insurance, and people like you hunt it for nothing, You make a good point, I get the something and you get the nothing but the hunting. I'm Done! Save your argument for the next landowner that your asking for permission to hunt, assuming that you ask.

[swilk]

Feb 23, 2011 8:06:29 GMT -5 lugnutz said:

Feb 23, 2011 7:02:35 GMT -5 hankhunter said:

I'm a landowner and find this interesting. Maybe the next time your asking a landowner for persission to hunt his land for free you can explain your million dollar idea to him.

First off its not an idea, just facts. Do a lil research.

Everybody wantin somethin for nothin, no wonder this country is in the shape that it is.

Just to throw my hat into the ring on this one ..... how is that land OWNERS are wanting something for nothing?

They bought the land.

They pay the taxes on the land.

And the state "lets" them hunt the critters that are on that land without charging them. Awfully nice of them to "let" them use their own property free of charge.

Of course I already paid them to hunt on my land .... purchased a lifetime license long before I owned my own property.

[Russ Koon]

Does seem like the removal of each of those eating machines would be of enough value to the farmer to make getting permission easier.

$500, per deer?

I'd sure like to hunt THOSE field edges. Might need a bigger truck to haul 'em home in, though.

[drs]

Feb 23, 2011 9:25:10 GMT -5 hankhunter said:

The only something for nothing I see is, I buy the land, I improve it, I pay the taxes and insurance, and people like you hunt it for nothing, You make a good point, I get the something and you get the nothing but the hunting. I'm Done! Save your argument for the next landowner that your asking for permission to hunt, assuming that you ask.

Not certain if your post was directed toward mine, but one solution, I can recommend is: purchase your own land to hunt on.

[drs]

Feb 23, 2011 9:35:55 GMT -5 swilk said:

Just to throw my hat into the ring on this one ..... how is that land OWNERS are wanting something for nothing?

They bought the land.

They pay the taxes on the land.

And the state "lets" them hunt the critters that are on that land without charging them. Awfully nice of them to "let" them use their own property free of charge.

Of course I already paid them to hunt on my land .... purchased a lifetime license long before I owned my own property.

GOOD POST! swilk!!

[Woody Williams]

I think it is fine just the way it is.

License exemptions:

The following are exempt from license requirements.

Landowners or lessees of farmland who farm that land and are residents of Indiana, their spouses and children living with them, while hunting, fishing or trapping on the land they own or lease.

This exemption does not apply to land owned by a business, corporation
or partnership unless the shareholders, partners, members or owners are comprised solely of the members of an immediate family and farm that land.

Farmland means agricultural land that is devoted or best adaptable
for the production of crops, fruits, timber or the raising of livestock, or is assessed as agricultural land for property tax purposes.

This changed some years back when every landowner didn't have to buy tags, no matter what the land was used for. I stated at that time that I was dead set against allowing groups that bought ground for the expressed purpose of recreational or hutning to have a free ride on us when it came to purchasing licenses. IOW - I did not want to subsidize their hobbies..

Farmer and their families? No problem whatsoever. Hunting groups buying land? Pay your own way.

[js2397]

It would not generate as much money as you think. First the landowners can manage the deer on their land for no additional cost than they already have. If they had to pay for tags they would most likely become like many of the other deer hunters buy a buck firearms tag and be done. Lifetime license holders and landowners do a good job of hunting multiple seasons and harvesting multiple deer because they already have the tags at no additional cost. If the deer herd is too large now wait until there are no more lifetime license holders.

[hornharvester]

Feb 23, 2011 9:41:33 GMT -5 Russ Koon said:

Does seem like the removal of each of those eating machines would be of enough value to the farmer to make getting permission easier.

$500, per deer?

I'd sure like to hunt THOSE field edges. Might need a bigger truck to haul 'em home in, though.

Russ, 10 -15 years ago I talked with a farmer who farmed around 1500 acres. He told me he figured that each deer on his farm cost him about $500.00 each year in lost crops.


Lug, were you referring to depredation permits or landowner tags? There is a difference. h.h.

[swilk]

Farmland means agricultural land that is devoted or best adaptable
for the production of crops, fruits, timber or the raising of livestock, or is assessed as agricultural land for property tax purposes.

You do realize that that little sentence opens just about every piece of dirt in Indiana up for inclusion by interpretation ........

Group of guys gets together and buys a piece of land that is "best adaptable for production of timber" and it would be eligible for landowner tags.

Just wanted to point that out .... it doesnt have to be assessed as farm ground. It doesnt even have to be actually used as farm or timber ground. So long as it is assessed as such OR best suitable for. That right there is a big ol loop hole.

[Woody Williams]

Feb 23, 2011 10:21:11 GMT -5 swilk said:

Farmland means agricultural land that is devoted or best adaptable
for the production of crops, fruits, timber or the raising of livestock, or is assessed as agricultural land for property tax purposes.

You do realize that that little sentence opens just about every piece of dirt in Indiana up for inclusion by interpretation ........

Group of guys gets together and buys a piece of land that is "best adaptable for production of timber" and it would be eligible for landowner tags.

Just wanted to point that out .... it doesnt have to be assessed as farm ground. It doesnt even have to be actually used as farm or timber ground. So long as it is assessed as such OR best suitable for. That right there is a big ol loop hole.

Better be members of the same family though, right?

This exemption does not apply to land owned by a business, corporation
or partnership unless the shareholders, partners, members or owners are comprised solely of the members of an immediate family and farm that land.

[drs]

If you own the land you MUST reside on it.

[swilk]

That tightens the noose a bit but there are still ways of side stepping it.

When I bought my little piece of dirt I had planned on leasing the hunting rights to a couple buddies of mine. So .... I contacted the DNR directly to ask the question if they would need to buy tags or if they would be safe under the "landowner" umbrella. I got a call from the DNR the following day telling me they were good to go .... which is completely untrue depending on how the law is interpreted. Doesnt matter though... I have the day the conversation took place and who gave them the go ahead to use the landowner tags.

Just need to point out that the guys who hunt my farm do in fact buy their own tags. But according to the DNR they didnt have to.

[Deleted]

Looks as if it applys to only farmland....in other words, the group would have to show farm income or loss to be covered?