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Post by budd on Dec 15, 2011 14:28:12 GMT -5
The which bullets subject went well so lets hear what you all have to say about the powder.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 15, 2011 14:43:40 GMT -5
Blackhorn 209...IMO it has no equal in the BP powder offerings. Non hydroscopic, granuales all identical, can be measured by volume or weight, no buildup so no swabbing between shots and best of all you don't have to fret about cleaning your gun after shooting it. If you need to wait a couple of days no problem. It is still corrosive though just not to the extent of BP. Cleanup can be done with standard cleaning solvents such as Hoppes No.9.
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Post by swilk on Dec 15, 2011 15:18:01 GMT -5
10x ;D
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Post by dsayer on Dec 15, 2011 17:00:40 GMT -5
BH209 is great so long as you aren't shooting a traditional gun (seems like hardly anyone does anymore). The #11 cap isn't hot enough for it it ignite. I shoot triple 7 powder because it's hotter than black powder or most bp substitutes and cleans up easily. I've been considering switching back to Goex black powder though. Mostly for the sake of nostalgia.  |
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Post by daworz on Dec 15, 2011 18:16:02 GMT -5
I shot a Savage smokeless ML II, and I have used several powders, and My Favorite is Reloader 7.
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Post by whitetail1 on Dec 15, 2011 20:31:47 GMT -5
Blackhorn 209...IMO it has no equal in the BP powder offerings. Non hydroscopic, granuales all identical, can be measured by volume or weight, no buildup so no swabbing between shots and best of all you don't have to fret about cleaning your gun after shooting it. If you need to wait a couple of days no problem. It is still corrosive though just not to the extent of BP. Cleanup can be done with standard cleaning solvents such as Hoppes No.9. Have to agree here. I just started working on some loads with BH209 for the first time and am super impressed. Still have some experimenting to do, but so far I love the BH209! |
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Post by budd on Dec 15, 2011 20:40:15 GMT -5
Blackhorn 209...IMO it has no equal in the BP powder offerings. Non hydroscopic, granuales all identical, can be measured by volume or weight, no buildup so no swabbing between shots and best of all you don't have to fret about cleaning your gun after shooting it. If you need to wait a couple of days no problem. It is still corrosive though just not to the extent of BP. Cleanup can be done with standard cleaning solvents such as Hoppes No.9. Have to agree here. I just started working on some loads with BH209 for the first time and am super impressed. Still have some experimenting to do, but so far I love the BH209! What loads and bullet combo are you favoring? |
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Post by cedarthicket on Dec 15, 2011 20:45:32 GMT -5
I have used real black powder for all my ML deer hunting for the last 45 years. It has never given me a miss fire, or even a hang fire. (Real black powder is easier to ignite than any of the substitutes.) I have shot black powder in traditional side lock rifles as well as in line rifles. Some of the side lock rifles were of the drum and nipple configuration in which there are two (2) roughly 90 degree turns in the flash channel between the nipple and the main powder charge. The secret to reliable ignition lies in cleaning the rifle of all dirt and oil (including the bore, nipple, threads, and flash channel). Then, and only then, load your favorite powder charge (whether real black powder or one of the substitutes) and projectile. Do NOT pop a cap just before loading! To help protect the bore of a non-stainless steel barrel from rusting you may wish to run a lightly oiled or greased patch down the bore AFTER loading the rifle. Then, assuming you do not get water in the bore or flash channel, or bring the loaded rifle into a warm humid house to "sweat" like a glass of ice tea on a humid July afternoon, your rifle should instantly do your bidding when you “drop the hammer” on a deer. This should be true whether your first shot is taken in the morning of opening day or 15 days later in late afternoon of the last day of the season. Of course, you would remove the cap or primer from your rifle when done hunting for the day. And, if you do not fire the shot or otherwise unload the rifle, you must be sure that it is plainly marked as “loaded” for obvious safety reasons. One good method is to place the ramrod down the bore AND put a sign on it noting the rifle’s loaded condition. I better stop before I get further off topic. |
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 15, 2011 21:04:03 GMT -5
What loads and bullet combo are you favoring? The one thing I failed to mention in my original post was to be sure your gun is suitable for use with BH209...some are not. My Knight did really well with 250gn Barnes Expanders and IIRC 90gns by volume of BH209. With the ability to weigh your charges or since the grainules are all the same you can get very consistent by volume too, you can really dial in a load that your gun likes. |
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Post by joen on Dec 15, 2011 22:54:00 GMT -5
I shot a Savage smokeless ML II, and I have used several powders, and My Favorite is Reloader 7. I shoot a Ruger #1 with a 28" S.M.I. barrle and my favorite is 2015 or 4198 but dont use these in bp guns. |
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 16, 2011 5:19:25 GMT -5
I have never used anything but the real thing for the same reasons cedarthicket gave.
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 16, 2011 9:45:20 GMT -5
Blackhorn 209!!!!
Consistency, accuracy, no swabbing between shots, no crud ring, bullets load easily, either measure by volume or weight because the powder itself is the same consistant size, clean up time is minimal when using Hoppe's #9.
There's 7 reasons for ya..........
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Post by esshup on Dec 16, 2011 11:19:53 GMT -5
This year it's H-4198.  Oops, I forgot the why part. It pushes a Hornady .458" 325g FTX at 2427 fps and at 100 Yds the gun groups MOA. It opens up to 4" groups at 300 Yds. |
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Post by stevein on Dec 16, 2011 15:36:46 GMT -5
I agree with cedarthicket and dbd870, REAL black powder only. Why send the substitutes to do a starters job ;D. I would bet the most of the problems with ignition come from lack of maintenance not the powder. Real black powder gives more consistent velocities too.
The only downside is it is not as readily available to most hunters.
Try it sometime, you might be surprised.
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Post by 64corvair on Jun 28, 2012 4:51:41 GMT -5
In my smokeless muzzleloaders, 4759 - 42 to 43 gr.
Also have used Vhit N110 and Accurate 5744.
Last several years though I have stuck with the 4759 just because both rifles are verrryyy accurate with it.
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Post by deerdude on Jul 1, 2012 16:50:43 GMT -5
jim shockey gold
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Post by tynimiller on Jul 10, 2012 14:04:13 GMT -5
Triple 7 is what I've just always used...the powder kind not the pellets. BH209 sounds good though may experiment.
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Post by jajwrigh on Jul 18, 2012 15:38:00 GMT -5
5744 is all I have used in my smokeless and I have settled on a load that shoots great. I see no reason to experiment any further at this point, but I am aware that there are several other options that offer more desirable traits. |
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Post by daneowner on Jul 18, 2012 18:17:04 GMT -5
Blackhorn 209, because it is, IMHO, the best substitute available. It's consistent in size from the top of the container to the bottom, unlike some that get finer as you get to the bottom. As some as stated, it's hard to beat the good "ole" black power and I agree, but it's getting harder to find. Also I like the fact that I can do a fast clean-up with standard solvent like Hoppe's #9. It's also a high velocity propellant. Note, some breech plugs are not compatible for BH 209 but i've never had a problem with mine using Remington 209 STS primers.
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Post by daneowner on Jul 18, 2012 18:26:03 GMT -5
One other comment on the BH209, i wouldn't consider it a power, it's like itty bitty pellent's. If you look closely at it, it has a very tiny hole thur the center.
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