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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 2, 2012 14:24:16 GMT -5
I'm going to have a gun made in 358 Hoosier.
I'm looking at bullets, and the Hornday Interlock 200 gr RN bullet (#3515) looks interesting. Also the cannelure seems to be somewhat to the rear, which should help with cartridge volume available for powder. Has anyone tried this bullet in the Hoosier? I'm particularly interested to know if the bullet can be crimped at the cannelure and still be within over all length for the cartridge and chamber.
Also, I'd like to know what powders are performing best for this cartridge. I'm not obsessed with velocity, something that should get me to the 2450-2500 fps range is perfect.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 15:48:01 GMT -5
Why do you need to crimp?
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 2, 2012 21:26:54 GMT -5
It is not likely that you will get 2500 fps out of the Hoosier with a 200 grain bullet, but you may be close. You cannot reduce the capacity of a parent cartridge and still get the same performance as the parent cartridge with common components.
Having said that, Superformance is supposed to add 100 to 200 fps to a wide range of cartridges. I don't have any new manuals listing Superformance, so I cannot give you any info on if it has a suggested load for the .358 Winchester.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 3, 2012 7:40:14 GMT -5
I don't know that crimping will be necessary. I was thinking it may be a good idea with the shorter Hoosier case, loading and shooting a full magazine. I don't know if the bullets will slide forward to impact the front face of the box magazine or not. In the past I have always loaded with a light roll crimp.
What powders are guys using with the Hoosier? Will the same powders that work well with the 358 Win work as well for the Hoosier?
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Post by AJ Brown on Jan 4, 2012 0:07:43 GMT -5
We are getting 2500 fps or better with five different powders using a 200 gr bullet, and 2630 fps to 2700 fps with seven different powders using a 180 gr bullet.
Alan
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 4, 2012 9:31:57 GMT -5
Gotta love breaking the law of physics! Something has got to give sometime.
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 6, 2012 11:04:14 GMT -5
Oldhoyt, I would have responded sooner, but I have been away from a computer for most of this week. Anyway, in the 2500 feet per second range either a 180 or 200 grain Hornady (SP or RN) bullet should work fine for deer. In the last two years I have taken 5 or 6 deer with a different wildcat (1.625 inches) using the 180 grain Hornady at about 2500 feet per second and it performed great each time. This past season I used the new Barnes 180 grain TTSX FB at 2500 ft/sec to take a doe. The bullet broke two ribs going in (frontal, slightly quartering shot) and stopped just under the skin near the anus. The recovered bullet (99 percent weight retention) looked just like those in the Barnes ads. The 180 grain Barnes bullet fired from the .358 Hoosier could be pushed to around 2600 to 2650 feet per second. Barnes also makes a 200 grain TSX bullet, but I have not tried it yet.
Regarding powder options I have found that the following powders work very well for both weight bullets: Reloader 7, Reloader 10X, Hodgdon H322, Accurate 2230, and Norma 200. There are other powders that will also work, especially if you do not want the maximum possible velocity with a given bullet. I am sure you will enjoy your new rifle.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 18, 2012 15:27:23 GMT -5
Thanks very much for the info. I am looking forward to carrying something that does not feel like a 2x4, that's for sure.
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Post by lon371 on Jan 18, 2012 18:32:48 GMT -5
Oldhoyt, I would have responded sooner, but I have been away from a computer for most of this week. Anyway, in the 2500 feet per second range either a 180 or 200 grain Hornady (SP or RN) bullet should work fine for deer. In the last two years I have taken 5 or 6 deer with a different wildcat (1.625 inches) using the 180 grain Hornady at about 2500 feet per second and it performed great each time. This past season I used the new Barnes 180 grain TTSX FB at 2500 ft/sec to take a doe. The bullet broke two ribs going in (frontal, slightly quartering shot) and stopped just under the skin near the anus. The recovered bullet (99 percent weight retention) looked just like those in the Barnes ads. The 180 grain Barnes bullet fired from the .358 Hoosier could be pushed to around 2600 to 2650 feet per second. Barnes also makes a 200 grain TSX bullet, but I have not tried it yet. Regarding powder options I have found that the following powders work very well for both weight bullets: Reloader 7, Reloader 10X, Hodgdon H322, Accurate 2230, and Norma 200. There are other powders that will also work, especially if you do not want the maximum possible velocity with a given bullet. I am sure you will enjoy your new rifle. Which round were you shooting the last couple years? Lonny
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 18, 2012 20:13:55 GMT -5
Lonny, the last two years I have been shooting a .358 wildcat with a maximum case length of 1.625 inches. The cases were made from commercial .243 Winchester brass, shortened, “neck” annealed, then formed, trimmed, and chamfered. (It looks like the shorter brother of the .358 Hoosier.)
I used the .243 Winchester case for that wildcat for the usual reasons of economy and practicality. Additionally, two BIG reasons for using ONLY commercial .243 Winchester brass is that by FIRST shortening the parent brass you do not have to expand the old neck AND you do not have to outside turn the resulting case neck. I did not want to turn the necks in order to have neck diameters of loaded rounds that would work in chamber neck diameters pretty close to those of SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) specs for the factory .358 Winchester cartridge.
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Post by parrothead on Jan 19, 2012 6:26:13 GMT -5
Sounds like old cedarthicket knows his stuff.
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Post by BIGHORN on Mar 23, 2012 13:21:01 GMT -5
Who can give some bullet & powder combinations that have are accurate in the .358? Looking for both 180gr & 200gr loads.
Thanks.
Shawn
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Post by ssnfa on Mar 23, 2012 18:47:53 GMT -5
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Post by BIGHORN on Mar 24, 2012 8:54:27 GMT -5
Anybody?
You can pm me with your loads if you want.
Thanks.
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Post by oldhoyt on May 1, 2012 6:27:45 GMT -5
I decided on Accurate 2230, and Hornady 180 gr SSP, lit by Winchester Large Rifle primers. My dies are en route, so may shoot this weekend.
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Post by HuntMeister on May 1, 2012 6:47:33 GMT -5
Please keep us posted on your progress!
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Post by cedarthicket on May 2, 2012 9:48:11 GMT -5
A.J. Brown Arms now has available commercially-loaded .358 Hoosier ammo with Hornady Interlock spitzer bullets weighing 180 and 200 grains. He also has some loaded with Hornady 200 grain FTX bullets. And, he recently received a limited supply of ammo loaded with the new Barnes TTSX FB (tipped TSX flat base) premium copper bullet weighing 180 grains. For those who reload, or have an interest in ballistics, advertised ballistic coefficients (BC) and estimated* approximate cartridge overall lengths (COL) for these loaded rounds are: Hornady 180 gr. Interlock spitzer (BC = .248) COL = 2.50”) Hornady 200 gr. Interlock spitzer (BC = .282) COL = 2.55”) Hornady 200 gr. FTX spitzer (BC = .300) (COL = 2.57”) Barnes 180 gr. TTSX FB spitzer (BC = .295) (COL = 2.73”) *These cartridge overall lengths work fine in my rifle. Bullets seated out further may cause the bullets to contact the rifling when chambered, possibly creating high pressures. A too long COL could also lead to a bullet stuck in the rifling (and powder spilled in the chamber and action) if the chambered round is extracted without firing. Following is a link to a thread which includes a pic of a target shot with some of the 200 grain Hornady Interlock bullets launched from a T/C Encore barrel: www.antlertalk.com/atforums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3785
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Post by peanut on May 2, 2012 18:18:42 GMT -5
Hello cedarthicket, What power is A.J. recomend for the above loads you mentioned,also do you need a large rifle primer what brand. thanks Peanut
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Post by cedarthicket on May 2, 2012 21:14:09 GMT -5
Peanut, as noted in an earlier post several powders work fine with 180 and 200 grain bullets:
"Regarding powder options I have found that the following powders work very well for both weight bullets: Reloader 7, Reloader 10X, Hodgdon H322, Accurate 2230, and Norma 200. There are other powders that will also work, especially if you do not want the maximum possible velocity with a given bullet."
I believe the commercial loader has used Accurate 2230 powder for at least some of his loads. Of course, he uses large rifle primers, but I do not know what brand. I personally use standard (not magnum) Winchester large rifle primers with good results. Also, one of my favorite powders for all 200 grain bullets and the Barnes 180 grain all copper bullets is Reloader 10X.
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Post by oldhoyt on May 4, 2012 10:56:53 GMT -5
My dies arrived. May load some tonight and possibly shoot this weekend.
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