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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 9:14:57 GMT -5
Perhaps you misunderstood my question Woody .... I am not asking if they recognize all the entries. I am asking if B&C will recognize the #3 entry as any type of worlds record.
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Post by dead-eye on Feb 13, 2013 9:42:50 GMT -5
I think some poeple are kinda loosing sight of what "world record" is at stake. its the nontypical firearms "world record" nothing more.
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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 9:47:55 GMT -5
I was trying to understand why some were acting so sure this would have to be panel scored ..... its not really any kind of official B&C "record".
I can see B&C going the route of panel scoring but I sure wouldnt bet money or my reputation on insisting that they will. Time will tell.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 13, 2013 10:50:15 GMT -5
No B & C do not categorize their entries, but you can bet whatever you want that the rest of the world does. B and C panel scored the number one hunter killed NT buck even though it wasn't close to the all time record. Why was that? Because a ton of money is riding on it. They are not going to take a local scorer's word on it. That would be totally unfair to the present holder of the "hunter killed NTworld record"..
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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 10:53:54 GMT -5
Why would they not take the word of a certified scorer? If such a person measurements are not good enough then why even have "certified" scorers?
The way i understand it panel scoring is required to established a new world record which this buck will not be. it might be the biggest ever killed but I dont think B&C has that category do they?
Like I said, I can see B&C making the decision to panel score it but they do not appear to be required to do so. It appears they could choose to just enter their "official scorers" score .... could they not?
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Post by jjas on Feb 13, 2013 10:55:19 GMT -5
I think some poeple are kinda loosing sight of what "world record" is at stake. its the nontypical firearms "world record" nothing more. My understanding is, if the score on this buck holds, it will be recognized as the largest whitetail (typical or non-typical) killed by a hunter...anytime....anywhere......with firearm or bow.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 13, 2013 11:25:54 GMT -5
I think some poeple are kinda loosing sight of what "world record" is at stake. its the nontypical firearms "world record" nothing more. My understanding is, if the score on this buck holds, it will be recognized as the largest whitetail (typical or non-typical) killed by a hunter...anytime....anywhere......with firearm or bow. That is registered .. Some farmer might have killed a bigger one and using it for a hat rack in his barn.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 13, 2013 11:34:00 GMT -5
Swilk,
As I understand it they panel score the top five entrants in each species every three year session.
I will wager that this buck will be panel scored. As we have seen in the past there can be different interpretations on what is and what isnt an abnormal point. It will be 4 interpretations versus 1. The panel scorers are the elite of B and C scorers
Ill bet that the Louvasten (sp?) people are sweating it right now..
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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 11:45:11 GMT -5
I was not aware that it was policy to panel score the top 5.
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Post by jjas on Feb 13, 2013 12:41:52 GMT -5
My understanding is, if the score on this buck holds, it will be recognized as the largest whitetail (typical or non-typical) killed by a hunter...anytime....anywhere......with firearm or bow. That is registered .. Some farmer might have killed a bigger one and using it for a hat rack in his barn. True enough.
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Post by jjas on Feb 13, 2013 12:46:58 GMT -5
WoodyWilliams
That's probably true.....But they have had almost 10 years to enjoy the celebrity (and profit) that comes from a deer like that.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Feb 13, 2013 12:48:59 GMT -5
I know that panel scoring has been more of a recent decade thing, did the Hanson buck get panel scored ?
Seems like they have to double/triple/quadruple check .
I agree with having another scorer double check, otherwise someone could bribe a scorer on a close buck and if no one checked it out.
But having an entire panel scrutinize the buck, that would be like a dozen women trying to agree on a single pair of shoes... be a tough crowd LOL
I am really happy for the guy and for Indiana, could be a double edge sword, might make finding free hunting ground in Huntington and surrounding counties harder to come by
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Post by jjas on Feb 13, 2013 12:55:28 GMT -5
bowhunterjohn
I would imagine that many things will change in Huntington County (and the rest of Indiana) as a result of this deer.......
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Post by greghopper on Feb 13, 2013 13:03:52 GMT -5
Swilk, As I understand it they panel score the top five entrants in each species every three year session. I will wager that this buck will be panel scored. As we have seen in the past there can be different interpretations on what is and what isnt an abnormal point. It will be 4 interpretations versus 1. The panel scorers are the elite of B and C scorers Ill bet that the Louvasten (sp?) people are sweating it right now.. / You are correct Woody, I talked with B&C folks at HQ today and the Indiana Deer once accepted with original score sheet will then be eligible for the next three year session (2016) and at that point paneled scored then if hunter brings it to the session.It don't have to be paneled score now to be accepted with original score sheet The Indiana Deer looks to be panel scored in 2016... If anyone would like to contact B&C here is there info and link. Boone and Crockett Headquarters - 406/542-1888 www.boone-crockett.org/contact/contact.asp?area=contactBTW....as Woody stated they panel score (verify) the top five entrants in each species every three year session if hunter brings it to session.
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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 13:18:26 GMT -5
If the hunter brings it .... so if the hunter chooses not to bring it do they accept the original score sheet?
If that is accurate I cannot see what benefit it would be to have it panel scored.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 13, 2013 13:24:30 GMT -5
yep.....they will try to make every effort to get it there though!!!
When panel scored in 2016 it becomes the official with B&C what ever it falls in category.
Step 1 is accepted then in goes "OFFICIAL" when panel scored in 2016!!!
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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 13:35:53 GMT -5
If it were mine and the original score sheet put it as the largest killed NT ever there would be no way in hell I would take it to be panel scored.
Assuming I am understanding you correctly that panel scoring is not really necessary.
Why on earth would anyone take the chance of corruption or difference of opinion changing the original score sheet?
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Post by greghopper on Feb 13, 2013 13:45:36 GMT -5
Swilk ....it needs a panel score to be official!!!!
The gentleman said there not looking to split hairs on the finial score just to verify..... the score 99% of time remains the same as original score sheet after being panel scored ...per B&C
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Post by swilk on Feb 13, 2013 13:50:16 GMT -5
got ya ... that is what I was confused on.
So they require anything that is going to be in the top 5 to go to panel before becoming official?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:08:22 GMT -5
I was not aware that it was policy to panel score the top 5. Glad WE got that ironed out. The owner of the rack can opt to not have it panel scored, but then it won't be recognized, his choice.
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