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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 7, 2014 19:40:57 GMT -5
That's pretty cool! Mount and againg card! Woody, I do have the arrows still! But did you ever kill anything with them?
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Post by firstwd on Jul 7, 2014 21:29:12 GMT -5
I know I probably shouldn't throw water on a grease fire, but sometimes I can't help myself.
I guess this exercise in aging puts a little doubt on the poster the QDMA puts out about deer aging and their rack growth........
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 8, 2014 7:07:55 GMT -5
Now you did it......
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 8, 2014 7:21:07 GMT -5
Lol.... Some bucks antlers go down hill after a certain age.. but most still maintain a good deal of mass. I think HCG's buck never produced a large set of antlers. Yeah, not a QDMA poster candidate for sure...
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Post by swilk on Jul 8, 2014 8:06:17 GMT -5
I think, like Mr nuke, we should all draw conclusions based on this one deer.
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 8, 2014 17:07:18 GMT -5
I know I probably shouldn't throw water on a grease fire, but sometimes I can't help myself. I guess this exercise in aging puts a little doubt on the poster the QDMA puts out about deer aging and their rack growth........ IMHO they are farther off than most hunters realize or want to admit .I know of dozens of bucks across this state that people have killed and weighed in at check station officially and seen it well over 200 =# and the fact is they almost all had racks far under the 125 inch mark and very few actually ever even came close to even just 140 inch's . That is why I have had the belief that age has little to do with rack size on most deer .I have always said top end bucks are born and grow that way from the very first Day of antler growth year one they blow the average bucks away in antler inches from their age class and usually the next year age class as well and end up with large to very large racks . FYI that is my belief by what I have seen over the last 40 years of deer hunting even up to today .
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 8, 2014 17:10:57 GMT -5
I think, like Mr nuke, we should all draw conclusions based on this one deer. Its not just that one deer I have seen this on hundreds of bucks over the last 40 years .Big bodies "usually " take years to grow over 200# .I have seen a few freaks that at 2.5 - 3.5 got very big bodied but it rare thus my first post on this thread . Not everything you think about me or others opinion or posts is always right.
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Post by M4Madness on Jul 8, 2014 19:24:56 GMT -5
That is why I have had the belief that age has little to do with rack size on most deer .I have always said top end bucks are born and grow that way from the very first Day of antler growth year one they blow the average bucks away in antler inches from their age class and usually the next year age class as well and end up with large to very large racks . I killed a 5.5 year old last October that officially grossed 164 0/8". I've got years of photos and video of him, and as a 3.5 he wouldn't have topped 100" gross. He was pretty poor then, but certainly made up for it. I can't guarantee 100% that age was the only factor though, but don't see why not.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 8, 2014 21:21:59 GMT -5
On my wall is a 5 year old, 134" 10 point, that dressed at 210 pounds. I missed this same deer the year before and, from my memory, was sporting about 20 more inches of antler. Yes deer do go down at some point in their lives, but certainly age is not the most important factor in antler growth. I believe it is purely the combination in the right ratio that does the trick.
I think HGC's deer had all three of the most important categories, age, size, and health. While antlers make great wall coverings, a quick attention getter, and tremendous props for story telling, they are not the end all when it comes to deer hunting. I truly wish more poeple involved with the industry would see that.
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Post by varmint101 on Jul 9, 2014 9:20:25 GMT -5
No Woody, I never have taken anything with them or any other alum yet. I went to a different head the last few years and a different arrow. There's still hope!
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Post by DFINN on Jul 10, 2014 19:15:57 GMT -5
Hard for me to estimate with him laying on the ground. Obviously a large body and big neck. I'm going with no older than 4. Looking forward to the results! what he said
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Post by DFINN on Jul 10, 2014 19:18:56 GMT -5
Fat arrows indeed. They were 29 1/4" Zwickey Eskimo tipped swaged 2413s...5" feathers ...shooting 72 pounds...real "old school". When I could no longer pull a bow I gave the arrows and broadheads to Varmint 1. I don't know if he still has them or not. Yes, they can still kill deer... Did every body shoot Zwickey in the 80's I sure did loved em
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Post by DFINN on Jul 10, 2014 19:19:55 GMT -5
Fat arrows indeed. They were 29 1/4" Zwickey Eskimo tipped swaged 2413s...5" feathers ...shooting 72 pounds...real "old school". When I could no longer pull a bow I gave the arrows and broadheads to Varmint 1. I don't know if he still has them or not. Yes, they can still kill deer... Did every body shoot Zwickey in the 80's I sure did loved em
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