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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 26, 2014 17:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 26, 2014 17:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by michaeladkins on Jun 26, 2014 17:20:43 GMT -5
Ok could someone explain this to me please. Let's take Greene county as an example. They allow 3 bonus antlerless deer. So does that mean I can get a total of 5 deer from green county? 1 antlered and 4 antlerless?
Thank you.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jun 26, 2014 18:37:32 GMT -5
They have once again failed for ohio co staying at 8. Unbelievable.
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 26, 2014 19:26:35 GMT -5
More unbelievable is that my county went from a 4 to an 8! I would have bet money that it would have dropped to a 3. I'm at a loss for words.
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Post by copper1 on Jun 26, 2014 19:27:50 GMT -5
I am very happy to see that they reduced Newton County to a " 3 ", which effectively takes the late bonus antlerless season away, a step in the right direction. The deer herd in parts of the county has been hurt badly over the last few years. Would have like to seen it reduced to a 2 but its a start anyways.
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 26, 2014 19:29:18 GMT -5
Ok could someone explain this to me please. Let's take Greene county as an example. They allow 3 bonus antlerless deer. So does that mean I can get a total of 5 deer from green county? 1 antlered and 4 antlerless? Thank you. You could take two antlerless with archery tags, a buck with a firearm, an antlerless with a muzzleloader, and three bonus antlerless with any weapon. So seven if done in that manner. Six if you take a buck with an archery or muzzleloader tag instead of a firearm. |
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Post by michaeladkins on Jun 26, 2014 19:46:25 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining that. I'm guessing not everyone knows that.
Thanks again!
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Post by shouldernuke on Jun 26, 2014 19:58:54 GMT -5
As I suspected they reduced my county from a 8 to a 3 and its about time ..Thank god we were suffering .Now we are safe from the late gun season . Between The guys who been over doing it here for years and the EHD that crushed the local deer herd here ,now they pay the price as we all do here .
This makes several counties now taken out of the late gun season up here in north central IN.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 26, 2014 21:03:13 GMT -5
Warrick stayed a three....good.
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Post by 10point on Jun 26, 2014 21:27:09 GMT -5
We went form an 8 to a 4 which means you can only kill 12 or so instead of 16 or whatever it was since we are urban. Doubt it will make any difference.
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 27, 2014 6:12:48 GMT -5
Morgan and Brown still at 4; I'm willing to live with that for another year and see the results after this season. If the numbers are down after that then I would like to see it go to 3.
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 6:29:55 GMT -5
While all good management practice and I am glad to see it, in the real world I have questions just HOW MUCH cutting a county (like Marshall where I live) from 8 to 4 will REALLY effect things.
As I've said before, VERY few hunters that I have known and/or just talked to, over the years ever actually shot even four, let alone 8.
Numbers seen when the herd is down dramatically reduce the opportunity to shoot numerous deer all by itself, IMO. Our count of deer taken for 2013 dropped all by itself while still having 8 bonus county tags available.
The lower chance to take that many naturally happening due to less sightings, the cost of tags and processing and the limited time "most" have to hunt had already reduced the number of deer taken by every single hunter I stay in touch with locally for one or more of these reasons. Even those whom are tagged with the "game hog" label in my area admittedly cut the number of deer they were willing to take out.
I believe this willingness to take less out due to less sightings is the largest reason our county harvest took a drastic drop last year but, like several others here, I face this season with some anxiety. The reduction of sightings before and during season in 2013 was huge, unexpected and, as we have discussed, it's difficult to put a finger on why it happened so QUICKLY and all we can do is speculate.
Just recently I was discussing deer numbers with some buddies and this year's reported spring sightings amongst us has dropped even lower than we recall from even last year.
I've seen exactly 2 deer total this spring while driving or bike riding with Zero road kills and a buddy that drives the same route he has for decades confirmed his sightings of deer in areas he usually sees them, while he was going to and from work, has dropped to very, very few.
Should this continue and scouting right before season shows even a further reduction in sign in my hunting woods, I'll be spending my time squirrel hunting rather than deer hunting in October and won't be planning much time spent in the stand during firearm season.
The number of tags available to me and my long time hunting buddies has less to do with the number we take than any other single factor mentioned.
Still a believer in hunters being conservationists first and foremost, I think our practices are indicative of a great many other hunters a well and don't feel the cut from 8 to 4 bonus tags here will have much (if any) effect on the number taken by itself but the reason TO cut the bonus tag number is valid and supported by our group, even if we can't see it making a difference.
2 cents
God Bless
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 27, 2014 6:39:05 GMT -5
While all good management practice and I am glad to see it, in the real world I have questions just HOW MUCH cutting a county (like Marshall where I live) from 8 to 4 will REALLY effect things. As I've said before, VERY few hunters that I have known and/or just talked to, over the years ever actually shot even four, let alone 8. Numbers seen when the herd is down dramatically reduce the opportunity to shoot numerous deer all by itself, IMO. Our count of deer taken for 2013 dropped all by itself while still having 8 bonus county tags available Reducing county antler-less permits does very little until it hits the magic number three. Then the late special antlerless season goes away. The only thing reducing from an 8 to a 4 could do is to get some hunters thinking that the herd is in decline and then they, as you said, voluntarily cut back. Other than that it is a feel good proposal. |
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 7:15:22 GMT -5
Just another viewpoint.
The late antlerless (for us) didn't change the number of deer we WOULD take out, but instead changed WHEN we would concentrate on doing so.
The late season is favored by our group simply because of the HUGE reduction in hunters we have to contend with.
The number of hunters we see out and about during late antlerless is dramatically low in our area and to be honest, I've not found taking a doe or two out then any easier but I agree there is the opportunity TO HUNT more days with that season.
Everyone I know (not that many LOL) use firearm season to concentrate on a buck but may take a doe out as well since opening weekend is habitually the time we have the most opportunities to do so, by a long shot.
Our hunts in late season are just preferred simply because of the LACK of pressure making such a more enjoyable hunt.
What days we normally continued to hunt during reg firearm season for meat does simply got moved.
It's a rare season, poor or not, that doesn't give me the best opportunity for a couple does being opening morning and the loss of the late season would simply push my choice back to doing so again.
I am not saying that late season can't allow one to take out more deer but I am just qualifying that the presence of such doesn't automatically do so.
For us, it just changed the "When" but didn't effect the "How Many" at all.
Going back to my previous post, the numbers we were seeing just had us deciding to NOT take out any does, or no more than one, regardless of what season it was, so we didn't hunt the late season much (with firearms).
I am not a good cross section of all hunters, but......I have a certain number of deer I want to take out annually.
Push comes to shove and I only had two weekends of firearms season, I'd still take that many out with few exceptions.
For me, as said, the late season is just less hectic with very few hunters even seen in even the surrounding properties. The opportunity TO take four or more does, should I want that many, NORMALLY would have the best chance of happening opening weekend, if not opening day of REGULAR firearm season.
I've had multiple chances to take out 4 or more does opening day but two in one day in late season, for me, is tough hunting, but doable
2 MORE cents LOL
No offense intended, just my viewpoint.
GodBless
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Post by jjas on Jun 27, 2014 8:35:21 GMT -5
It's good to see the DNR make reductions in 19 counties for this year. Many hunters have wanted that. Especially hunters in the northern part of the state..
But...regardless of reg changes, ultimately it's up to hunters to manage the resource.
So in the end, if you aren't seeing deer in the numbers you think you should, then don't kill multiple deer in your area.
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Post by windingwinds on Jun 27, 2014 9:49:33 GMT -5
Last year I would've been in favor for a drop in Miami County. This spring they have been very visual, several nice groups. It doesn't overly effect us, I have never tagged out anyways. Did have a deer run into us in Fulton County, $2700 damage and we were only going 40 mph. Of course deer got back up and no meat out of the deal either. We really try to avoid them, at this point avoiding the entire road that it happened at. That area is over run with deer, but dnr will not allow does to be taken with a gun at that "preserve" next to Manitou lake. I guess if I tag out at home I will visit the Kern preserve with my bow. Rochester would benefit from a urban season.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 27, 2014 10:42:21 GMT -5
It's good to see the DNR make reductions in 19 counties for this year. Many hunters have wanted that. Especially hunters in the northern part of the state.. But...regardless of reg changes, ultimately it's up to hunters to manage the resource. So in the end, if you aren't seeing deer in the numbers you think you should, then don't kill multiple deer in your area. ^^^^ THIS |
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Post by Boilermaker on Jun 27, 2014 10:49:32 GMT -5
Why would they increase Bartholomew to 8 and keep Brown Co. at a 4?! I've seen less deer every year in Bartholomew Co. yet they have to continually have reduction hunts in Brown Co. to keep the numbers in check. I'm not saying Brown needs an increase, but to double the number in Bartholomew Co and put all the other surrounding counties to 8 and not Brown?  I'd like to see the reasoning behind that one. |
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Post by jjas on Jun 27, 2014 12:25:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know where a person could get the data showing how many Indiana hunters actually kill more than 2 deer during any given season?
Just curious....
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I'd like to see the reasoning behind that one.