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Post by jjas on Jul 15, 2014 7:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by GS1 on Jul 15, 2014 14:25:25 GMT -5
Had a doe bring a fawn into my yard the other evening to introduce her to my flowers. They didn't hang around long.
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 15, 2014 17:04:49 GMT -5
I do not know what this guys talking about the fawns arrived here right on schedule.The problem is that most these QDMA groupies / TV / magazine hunting gurus need a kick in the head to get them to understand what happens when you shoot up a doe herd in the name of either herd reduction or QDM. There will be far fewer fawns born thus far fewer sitings .LOL TV and writer /Experts just don't get it sometimes .
Fawns stay down and hidden for about a month in most years and situations that makes em hard to see /fewer deer mean fewer fawns.======== Fewer adult antlered bucks just a few years later .The boomerang of heavy deer loss and doe harvest is returning now and they are not going to like how it lands in most areas of the Midwest.
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Post by drs on Jul 16, 2014 9:49:35 GMT -5
I just saw, this morning, a Fawn running across my back field
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Post by michaeladkins on Jul 16, 2014 19:10:08 GMT -5
I saw mama and the babies laying down by the Eagle Creek Park entrance on 56th street last evening.  Too cute! |
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Post by windingwinds on Jul 17, 2014 13:43:12 GMT -5
There's a huge pregnant doe visiting my salt block, I imagine she'll drop a fawn or two soon. My property is well overgrown now so you don't always see the fawns.
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 18, 2014 8:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Jul 18, 2014 8:31:11 GMT -5
There's a huge pregnant doe visiting my salt block, I imagine she'll drop a fawn or two soon. My property is well overgrown now so you don't always see the fawns. My property is also well overgrown except my back field. Mostly fawns are found just inside my woods, I see a lot of Doe and this morning saw two Bucks browsing out in the field. One, very nice 12 pointer & a 4 pointer. Got three selected sites, were I set out Mineral Blocks and they are really using them. |
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 18, 2014 8:49:56 GMT -5
Seen 4 fawn's with mom's last night while taking a walk around my property. Doe group's are definitely joining back up.
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 18, 2014 16:03:50 GMT -5
There's a huge pregnant doe visiting my salt block, I imagine she'll drop a fawn or two soon. My property is well overgrown now so you don't always see the fawns. You do realize that its highly unlikely a huge "old " doe is still carrying fawns this last in the summer .She either had them or possibly is just butter fat because she lost them and is not feeding them any longer .Even if she is its not likely going to go well for the fawns much past this date .The survival odds go way down for fawns as the summer grows longer . |
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 18, 2014 19:35:02 GMT -5
There's a huge pregnant doe visiting my salt block, I imagine she'll drop a fawn or two soon. My property is well overgrown now so you don't always see the fawns. You do realize that its highly unlikely a huge "old " doe is still carrying fawns this last in the summer .She either had them or possibly is just butter fat because she lost them and is not feeding them any longer .Even if she is its not likely going to go well for the fawns much past this date .The survival odds go way down for fawns as the summer grows longer . "highly unlikely" vs got bread in the second rut in Dec where she would be just now due? But could be too just an old she boss. I think there is a recent post on the "Myth of Old Dry Does" too..or something on that order. Either / Or. ON the subject matter I've seen few DEER......zero fawns. God Bless |
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 18, 2014 19:37:31 GMT -5
You do realize that its highly unlikely a huge "old " doe is still carrying fawns this last in the summer .She either had them or possibly is just butter fat because she lost them and is not feeding them any longer .Even if she is its not likely going to go well for the fawns much past this date .The survival odds go way down for fawns as the summer grows longer . "highly unlikely" vs got bread in the second rut in Dec where she would be just now due? But could be too just an old she boss. I think there is a recent post on the "Myth of Old Dry Does" too..or something on that order. Either / Or. ON the subject matter I've see few DEER......zero fawns. God Bless Actually would of been a JAN breeding if still carrying that makes survival of the fawn through hunting season not likely .I do not believe that tired old myth . |
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 18, 2014 19:44:03 GMT -5
1 month Dec to Jan 2 months Feb 3 months Mar 4 months April 5 months May 6 months June 7 months July But some DO get bread in Jan. I butchered 5 in firearm season in 15 years that dressed out UNDER 40 lbs come in my shop, the least of which was 29lbs....shot with a 3 inch 12 gauge.  He had it in the trunk of a Chevy Vega, and yes I charged him full price......  I was not going to encourage such stuff. My bad? lol God Bless |
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 18, 2014 19:59:35 GMT -5
1 month Dec to Jan 2 months Feb 3 months Mar 4 months April 5 months May 6 months June 7 months July But some DO get bread in Jan. I butchered 5 in firearm season in 15 years that dressed out UNDER 40 lbs, the least of which was 29lbs....shot with a 3 inch 12 gauge. He had it in the trunk of a Chevy Vega, and yes I charged him full price...... I was not going to encourage such stuff. My bad? lol God Bless a doe recycles every 28 days and carry fawns between 195 to 200 days .Since Jan 15th its been 187 days as of today .Point being its late and the farther north the less likely they will make the winter or season .You proved that you shot em lol .But had it not been you it might of been something else on that 20 something pound deer .BTW 50# is not bad but not great food or age could cause the light weight or even a young first time doe fawn of the last year giving birth . |
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 18, 2014 20:10:59 GMT -5
AS in all things even the experts do not agree, plus 28 days PER DOE from what part of the month? The rut lasts more than a couple days. Even if bread JAN FIRST, 200 days is July 19..( www.calendar-365.com/day-numbers/2014.html ) .and who knows when THAT doe's cycle came in? Neither of us. Not worth disagreeing on....... "The gestation period for white-tailed deer is slightly less than 7 months or between 190 and 210 days. Fawning normally extends from March through July with peak fawn-drop occurring in late May." www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs34_whitetailed_deer.htmlJuly fawn are results of breeding the mid to later part of Dec or VERY early Jan. As bad as the weather was last year I would not be surprised to see Aug fawns born, and agree that will not be good. Reread my post.......I DID NOT shoot the small deer, hence why I charged THE HUNTER full price for butchering it, just like any other deer and did for all the guys bringing in the rotisserie versions. God Bless |
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Post by windingwinds on Jul 18, 2014 21:20:30 GMT -5
She hasn't visited salt lick the past two days. It's not unusual here to see fawns with spots during season. I will try to post pictures later of her. Yes, she probably bred January or even later. The ones with spots usually make it if they don't get hit on road.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 18, 2014 21:25:13 GMT -5
I've seen many a 25 pound fawn still with spots in archery season. In areas with a lot of does it is very possible, and even probable, that not every doe gets bred the first or even the secondary rut.
Windingwings,
I'm looking forward to one of your trail camera pics of her with her newly dropped fawns..
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 18, 2014 21:28:34 GMT -5
I had a doe come by my backyard with two fawns in tow this morning.
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 19, 2014 6:40:14 GMT -5
In taxidermy school (right or wrong I don't know)I was taught that spots remain until each fawn sheds their summer hair and the hollow winter hair replaces it.
Is there info somewhere stating other factors? Just curious.
Probably one of the freakiest bucks I've ever seen was a 146lb 6 point a guy shot with his bow in early season. Obviously not a fawn by anyone's standards it had two perfect rows of spots running down both sides of the spine, every bit as bright contrast wise as a fawn's.
I BEGGED him to let me skin that buck and keep the hide offering to butcher the deer for nothing but he kept it. I'm betting I could have got big bucks for that for a full body mount from someone with a large showcase.
I'm sure there are other freaky cases like that around but it was the single case of such I had seen, even rarer than antlered does which I had 3 come in over the years.
God Bless
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 19, 2014 20:30:20 GMT -5
Saw 2 on my road this evening and 1 in Brown CO.
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