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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 6, 2014 12:11:27 GMT -5
Wondering if anyone here has experience with this brand of .22 ammo?
I see some available at Midway, a little pricey but not extreme. I can't find any CCI .22 short hollow point and the squirrel season is getting close, so I though maybe this subsonic LRHP might be good substitute for use in my trusty old Marlin lever gun.
The reviews look good, but who knows how reliable those are?
TIA for any advice.
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Post by sakorifle on Aug 6, 2014 19:30:35 GMT -5
greetings russ here in the UK rws is popular i have shot many thousands of rounds of subsonic rws in my cz it is top quality ammo. The bullets tend to have a lot of grease on them,but don't be tempted to wipe it off But like any other ammo my advice is buy a box and see if you particular rifle likes it, we are having a devil of a job getting any American bullet heads in the uk and are now turning more and more to European ammo. regards Billy
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 6, 2014 19:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks, Billy.
I had seen some mention of the grease that comes on the ammo, and it seems that most users DO wipe it off to facilitate cleaner handling. Didn't see anyone warning against doing so. Now I'm curious as to the function of the lube. Seems like it would be much more pleasant to handle wiped down, but I'll leave it be if there's a good reason.
Most of mine will likely get handled several times before being shot. When we were young, it was considered very poor form to return to the house with any ammo left, but as I aged, less was spent shooting at every target of opportunity, and I trusted my sights to remain set unless seriously bumped, so mine gets loaded then put back in the box many times a season.
I think I will take your suggestion and order up a couple boxes, rather than a brick.
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Post by throbak on Aug 7, 2014 7:12:17 GMT -5
I have shot LOTS of the Subsonics you can always tell a good hit on squirrels a loud PLOP only thing they drop pretty quick when shooting ranges other than what sited in for .. You notice that Billy ?? my first 77-22 loved them it got stolen the replacement not so well
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Post by sakorifle on Aug 7, 2014 7:23:42 GMT -5
Oh yes they drop off quickly, my rifle has a 60yd zero,it is around an inch high out to thirty yards then a half inch until zero, but I know if I put the third milldot on a rabbits head it will drop it at a hundred yards, like anything else it is just getting used to it. The grease Russ is to stop leading becoming a problem in your barrel, some ammo such as Winchester use a dry lube, rws does not. Regards Billy
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 8, 2014 15:12:41 GMT -5
Thanks again, Billy. Sounds like I should be careful NOT to remove it, then. Don't want to lead up the micro-grooves on my trusty old Marlin. It still groups nicely after 46 years of service.
I think the drop will be of minor concern to me, as my use with the subsonics would exclusively be for squirrel hunting, with the red dot sight I have on it now that doesn't doesn't offer any telescopic power. My effective range with those optics is about fifty yards, max, with a good rest. I really liked CCI short hollow points for their quiet short-range effectiveness, but they seem to be extinct now. The subsonics appear to be a suitable alternative, and may even be better for accuracy.
Love the little lever gun for carrying, though. I also have a heavy-barreled Ruger 1022 T, that I would use regular CCI LRHP in if I wanted to use the 9x scope for popping squirrels at longer ranges, but that shooter almost has me wanting a gun-bearer 8^).
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Post by sakorifle on Aug 8, 2014 17:22:25 GMT -5
i take it you fellows shoot squirrels up trees with your 22 rifles? Here in the uk that just is not supposed to happen, if someone was caught or even suspected of firing a bullet rifle up into a tree the police would more than likely try to take it from them. probably because we are so over populated here that there is a fair chance it may hit someone or a house on its way down. Just goes to shows different hunting cultures from different countries. If i go for grey squirrels i usually take my trusty old hammer 410, or an air rifle red squirrels over here are fully protected and must not be harmed.
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Post by ms660 on Aug 8, 2014 21:48:15 GMT -5
There you have it. The real reason for the Revolutionary War. Behind George Washington's cabin was a 300 acre woods of nothing but shag bark hickory. LOL
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 8, 2014 23:57:58 GMT -5
Yep, Billy, out here in the backwoods of Indiana at least, we are still sparsely enough populated to shoot upwards at them legally, although the trajectory and eventual return to earth is something to keep in mind.
We are approximately one fourth as densely populated as the U.K. here in Indiana, so there's a bit more room between people for descending bullets to land without incident.
We are admonished to be aware of the backdrop of all our shots, and so as responsible hunters, we try to consider those factors, but I think more of us are more concerned with the trajectory in a line parallel to the ground, and to points to which the bullets might travel if they ricochet. The bullets are travelling faster in that plane than they will be when descending, and more importantly, they are travelling in a line that puts anything in that line in danger, while the descending bullet only imperils one spot as it descends.
Some restricted access hunting areas have restrictions dictating only tree stand hunting with bows, due to the density of hunters in the areas during special hunts, but otherwise the suggestions to voluntarily consider the trajectory of our projectiles seems to be sufficient to avoid the potential problems of them falling from the sky.
That was one of the factors that I took into account in selecting the lower-powered ammo, in addition to the noise reduction. Easier to select a safe direction with less trajectory. My favorite woods has a very busy highway about two hundred yards from one side of the property, so I don't shoot in that direction, even at a steep upwards angle. Quite often, though, I travel to bigger woods for squirrels, where the downward trajectory doesn't come into play to such an extent.
Of course the safest way to do it is to hit that at which we aim, thereby slowing the bullet and probably ruining its aerodynamics to further decrease its speed in falling. Still working on making that happen more frequently 8^).
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Post by saltydog on Aug 10, 2014 21:02:14 GMT -5
Russ check out my post in small game. Fine tuned the 541 in this eve getting ready for some bushy tails, using up some single box's of subsonics.RWS 40gr hp,PMC 32gr hp and some aguila's 40 hp. The PMC would not group tight enough for my liking, the aguilas were close but the RWS were outstanding cutting holes several times (too bad this is my last box). These were all Five shot groups at 50yrds.
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Post by omegahunter on Aug 11, 2014 7:52:11 GMT -5
Used the RWS Subsonics a long time ago. Seems they had a waxy lube on them then and they were the dirtiest .22 ammo that I had ever shot. But they were very accurate and I loved the "POP" when you connected on a squirrel. I abandoned those when they got over $3.50 a box and have shot Remington Subsonics ever since. The Remingtons are a little louder, but much cleaner and used to be cheaper.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 11, 2014 11:05:38 GMT -5
saltydog, best .22 I ever shot was my kid brother's 541 T. He had a trigger job done on it, and re-done until it was light enough to suit him, but still OK for a responsible adult to carry in the woods, being sure to keep the safety on until the gun is pointed in the direction of the intended target. One sweet shooter.
Thanks for the reinforcing info.
Upon further searching through dark corners of my ammo drawer, I did come across an almost full box of Remington .22 subsonic LRHP's that I had overlooked earlier. Might have to burn a few of those and a few of my remaining short hollow points to compare accuracy and noise, before ordering up anything.
B-I-L and nephew have a new diy shooting bench at their place, and a lead sled. Should be able to get a good comparison out there, and also check out the remaining accuracy of my antique Marlin (and its antique owner).
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 11, 2014 11:12:10 GMT -5
saltydog, best .22 I ever shot was my kid brother's 541 T. He had a trigger job done on it, and re-done until it was light enough to suit him, but still OK for a responsible adult to carry in the woods, being sure to keep the safety on until the gun is pointed in the direction of the intended target. One sweet shooter.
Thanks for the reinforcing info.
Upon further searching through dark corners of my ammo drawer, I did come across an almost full box of Remington .22 subsonic LRHP's that I had overlooked earlier. Might have to burn a few of those and a few of my remaining short hollow points to compare accuracy and noise, before ordering up anything.
B-I-L and nephew have a new diy shooting bench at their place, and a lead sled. Should be able to get a good comparison out there, and also check out the remaining accuracy of my antique Marlin (and its antique owner).
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 13, 2014 9:34:13 GMT -5
Sighted in with the subsonic Remingtons yesterday. Was very pleased with accuracy. Had one dud, which seems to about my average for Remingtons. Looks like I'll have no excuses for a miss within thirty yards even if I wait for all head shots.
The cheapie Barska holographic sight is holding zero well so far. Fits the Marlin well, and sits closer to bore so should reduce the amount of error on really close shots, as well as getting great target acquisition.
Used most of my supply of subsonics sighting in at 30, but retained enough for a the first couple of squirrel hunting trips and found more available online @ GunBroker.com if I give up and pay the scalper's premium.
Found a few full strength LRHP's at a local shop, also at scalper prices, but I like the noise level and accuracy of the subsonics and will try to continue using them at least in the Marlin.
Thanks again to all for the helpful replies.
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Post by omegahunter on Aug 13, 2014 10:17:24 GMT -5
Russ, I hope the "dud" disease has not carried over from their bulk bullets to the subsonics. I quit buying their bulk boxes years ago because of that. I have NEVER had a single problem with Rem's subsonics before.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 23, 2014 8:16:02 GMT -5
Should be able to test the Rem subs more thoroughly soon. I ordered some from Strictlyammo.com Thursday.
Looks like the supply is finally catching up with the demand, as these were listed as "in stock" and the price dropped slightly while I was typing in my order, and they applied the new lower price immediately.
Will know soon whether they ship as quickly as advertised.
These cost just under $12 per box of 100, plus shipping. Not sure what the price was before the shortage, but that can't be jacked up all that much at 12 cents a shot.
I remember buying shorts for a penny a shot at the local country grocery/gas market when I was 14. Spent nearly all my haying money on ammo after the first couple days' earnings went buy a decent used single-shot starter rifle for ten bucks. When you work for $5 a day and the noon meal, feeding that trigger finger gets expensive even at a penny a shot.
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Post by ms660 on Aug 23, 2014 11:37:56 GMT -5
At deer camp at night we used to play poker and to keep it a friendly, fun game we bet 22 rifle shells instead of money. Now days at some of the prices 22 ammo is bringing, poker could get serious.
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Post by omegahunter on Aug 26, 2014 13:44:23 GMT -5
Should be able to test the Rem subs more thoroughly soon. I ordered some from Strictlyammo.com Thursday. Looks like the supply is finally catching up with the demand, as these were listed as "in stock" and the price dropped slightly while I was typing in my order, and they applied the new lower price immediately. Will know soon whether they ship as quickly as advertised. These cost just under $12 per box of 100, plus shipping. Not sure what the price was before the shortage, but that can't be jacked up all that much at 12 cents a shot. I remember buying shorts for a penny a shot at the local country grocery/gas market when I was 14. Spent nearly all my haying money on ammo after the first couple days' earnings went buy a decent used single-shot starter rifle for ten bucks. When you work for $5 a day and the noon meal, feeding that trigger finger gets expensive even at a penny a shot. $6 per 50 is double what I gave for my last brick of Rem Subsonics and I am down to my last two boxes.
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Post by tomthreetoes on Sept 1, 2014 10:21:59 GMT -5
My CZ Ultra Lux loves the RWS sub sonics. I'm glad I stocked up when they were cheap.
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