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Post by esshup on Aug 28, 2014 18:56:44 GMT -5
I have heard this as well and have also heard it will be state wide for the most part since we already use HPR in almost all counties now with the exception of Marion county.I say lets get it and be done with it we been using them for years for everything but deer and now we use some for deer as it is .We have larger areas up in the northern half of the state that is just as wooded and very low populations as well or vast open fields . I agree 110%. I hope it's not a county by county basis, but an urban zone basis. Anything is legal for varmints...............
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:20:14 GMT -5
I'm already starting to polish up the model 700 Rem. .270 I inherited from my grandpa! Bring it on, say I!
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Post by firstwd on Aug 28, 2014 19:33:01 GMT -5
I hope this hols up, but will be waiting quietly until it is official. I guess I need to use the .410 for deer this year. That will leave just the .243 as the last deer sized gun in the cabinet that hasn't made meat.
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Post by drs on Aug 29, 2014 4:24:24 GMT -5
I have heard this as well and have also heard it will be state wide for the most part since we already use HPR in almost all counties now with the exception of Marion county.I say lets get it and be done with it we been using them for years for everything but deer and now we use some for deer as it is .We have larger areas up in the northern half of the state that is just as wooded and very low populations as well or vast open fields . I agree 110%. I hope it's not a county by county basis, but an urban zone basis. Anything is legal for varmints............... I would imagine that the IDNR would consider certain high population counties unsuitable for rifles, like Michigan does. Special hunts at facilities like CRANE most likely would only allow Shotgun Slugs & M/L only. In KY certain areas of the State only allow Shotgun Slugs or M/L's in areas like Fort Knox; however all the counties in KY allow the use of High Powered Rifles for Deer. I never could understand why the IDNR would allow the use of ANY HP rifle for hunting varmints but not Deer. We got a "thing" down here in KY that the regulations for hunting Squirrels only allow Rimfire ammunition for hunting them. Can't figure this rule out either, as I would love to hunt Squirrels with my .22 Hornet or .25-20 rifles, with my light loads, here in KY.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Aug 29, 2014 9:30:33 GMT -5
The latest proposal will be made public tomorrow - then we will know for sure... Anything on this yet? Cant wait to see how this plays out.
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Post by HuntMeister on Aug 29, 2014 20:28:18 GMT -5
Any update on the official proposal? I thought today was the day?
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Post by esshup on Aug 29, 2014 22:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 30, 2014 7:20:41 GMT -5
Any update on the official proposal? I thought today was the day? My guess is slow IT folks in getting the site updated. It won't be posted on NRC page except in the next meeting agenda. They have to preliminarily accept it before we can give "official input".
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Post by 76chevy on Aug 30, 2014 10:43:01 GMT -5
I am all for it. Lots of places I hunt offer a safe, ethical, 200+ yd shot...
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Post by jjas on Aug 31, 2014 9:48:44 GMT -5
I've been gun/bow hunting deer in Indiana since the early/mid 80's. I've used smoothbore slug guns with open sights and foster slugs, fully rifled barrel slug guns with "high tech" saboted slugs, and pcrs. None of these guns were/are consistent moa shooters, but they did/do the job.
Why did I change equipment over the years? One simple reason. Better, more consistent accuracy. I see nothing wrong with trying to be more accurate. It equates to more humane kills. It's the same reason most people switched from longbows and recurves to compound bows. Better, more consistent accuracy. And what will centerfire rifles bring to Indiana hunters? Better, more consistent accuracy. I don't anyone who knows spit about firearms that would rather carry a slug gun than a centerfire rifle. Not one.
BTW, in all those years and with all the "upgrades" I've made in my hunting firearms, I've still never shot @ a deer longer than 65-75 yards away. Just never have. And if this reg change is made, I don't know if I'll switch from my .44 magnum rifle, but if I choose to, I still doubt that I'll shoot much (if any) farther than I have in the past. Which leads me to my next point......
I know where some of the replies to this post are headed. And it's easy to pedal fear about how, come gun season we better all head for the basement for fear of being killed by someone like the anecdotal moron "we heard about " who supposedly took a 1,000 yard shot, missed the deer and killed Grandma. How about this....If you have data that shows how inherently more dangerous centerfire rifles truly are as compared to fully rifled slug guns and inline muzzleloaders, please, by all means, post it up.
But don't try and pedal fear just because you don't like gun season and want it shortened/moved. It's a waste of everyone's time.
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Post by hornzilla on Aug 31, 2014 12:45:25 GMT -5
Will make my life a little easier by not having to shorten the 444'S OR 45-70's. Maybe bring out the old 3030. It's been retired since a bear hunt years ago. Time will tell.
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Post by spainy79 on Aug 31, 2014 14:00:52 GMT -5
I'm neutral on this. It can go either way; won't matter to me.
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Post by sakorifle on Aug 31, 2014 16:22:34 GMT -5
i am going to be conversational and say i have shot thousands of roe deer in my first twenty years with a 243 and it ain't big enough with a 100grn bullet for deer. Drops then no where near as quickly as the 308 hence why i use a 308. 308 123grn sako gamehead bullet at 3400ft a sec nine times out of ten they drop on the spot, if they move it is usually less than ten yards. another bullet i use in my personal rifle is the 155grn a max it also does a good job for me. just my honest opinion,sorry 243 fans. lol Billy
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Post by deadeer on Aug 31, 2014 17:48:28 GMT -5
Sako, it's not a controversy with a specific caliber, it's the "high powered rifle" aspect that is all the buzz. By the way, you are one of the few I have heard to downplay the 243. I have killed several deer with an Encore pistol and it's all where you put the bullet. No complaints here, but also not nearly the sheer number of kills you mention.
Jay
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 31, 2014 18:28:29 GMT -5
In the past I have read a few outfitter types who also have the opinion that the .243 is marginal as well. I have to think with today's premium bullets things have changed. Having said that I would still prefer my 260Rem.
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Post by esshup on Aug 31, 2014 19:08:06 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing with smaller calibers is bullet placement. If the shooter isn't patient enough or a good enough shot to either wait for a good shot at a calm deer, or know their limitations accuracy wise (that's accuracy from that position, not shooting off of a bench) then a larger dia bullet with more energy might be better for them. Still, no matter how large the caliber is, a bad shot placement will still result in a deer that might not be found. I believe that a well constructed, larger dia and weight bullet will out penetrate a smaller dia., lighter weight well constructed bullet if both have roughly the same MV in any reasonable deer hunting scenario.
I use a .243 for deer hunting in Wi. because it's a very lightweight rifle, and I can carry it all day long. Plus shots aren't going to be more than 200 yds, and it's dang accurate with the 85g Barnes "X" bullets @ 3350 fps that I use.
I have a lot of "tools" in the gun safe, and each has a specific job. I'll even carry the slug gun when hunting up there in rifle legal areas if the shots will be close and at a running deer. We do drive some pretty thick areas, and a shotgun IS made for shooting at a moving target after all. I'd like to see regular CF rifles become legal to use because it opens the toolbox door wider, that's all.
To be quite honest, I probably will still be using my .45 cal Savage Muzzleloader most of the time if it passes. Who can argue with a .40 cal 195g Barnes "X" bullet moving along at 2850+ fps?
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Post by cedarthicket on Aug 31, 2014 19:27:20 GMT -5
I use a .243 for deer hunting in Wi. because it's a very lightweight rifle, and I can carry it all day long. Plus shots aren't going to be more than 200 yds, and it's dang accurate with the 85g Barnes "X" bullets @ 3350 fps that I use. Esshup, I am curious about the performance of the 85 gr Barnes X bullets on deer. Have you recovered any of the bullets from deer you bagged? If so, could you describe the bullets and the paths taken within the animals? Were the bullets expanded much like in the advertisements by Barnes? Or, were all bullets pass throughs? Thanks.
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Post by esshup on Aug 31, 2014 20:19:25 GMT -5
I have never recovered a Barnes "X" bullet from any animal that I've shot. Granted, they all were going pretty durn fast at poi, but every one has been a pass thru. .257 Weatherby Magnum 100g Barnes "X" bullet (whitetails & Corsican Ram), .243 85g TSX (whitetails and 'yote), .50 cal Savage Muzzleloader on wild pigs, both 300g and 350g .451" dia "X" bullets (roughly 300# hogs).
Meat damage is minimal, wound cavity is about what I'd expect. Caliber sized entry, 4x-5x caliber diameter exit. Granted, none were shot where a bunch of penetration was needed. Deer were head, neck, or high shoulder shots, (behind the scapula), same with Corsican Ram. Wild boars were shot in front of the shoulder, in the vertebra to drop them on the spot. Yote was thru the lungs, broadside about 60 yds. He went about 10 yds.
It takes water or "liquid" to make them expand. I've shot them from the muzzleloader into dry sand and they probably could have been shot again. Shoot them into a gallon milk jug at the same distance/load, and they expand like the pictures show.
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Post by scrobertson on Aug 31, 2014 20:28:21 GMT -5
[/quote]My Nephew, who lives north of Indianapolis in Clinton County Indiana will certainly be happy to be able to use the .308 rifle I bought him, for Deer. [/quote] Who is your nephew if you dont mind me asking. Im from around that area just curious..
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Post by tenring on Sept 1, 2014 6:17:45 GMT -5
As the overwhelming distances I have taken deer are under 50 yards, I'll stick with my .44 Mag. lever gun.
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