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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 22:20:08 GMT -5
Would you support the Indiana Statewide Archery Season starting on September 15th ?
Many other states open their statewide Archery Seasons in September, and the Urban areas in Indiana already open in September.
I think it would give people in Indiana the chance to harvest a Velvet Buck, and to get meat several weeks earlier if they need it.
Some people argue that it is too hot in September to Deer hunt. But most Deer hunting in September is actually done the first 2 hours of daylight in the morning, and the last 2 hours of daylight in the evening near food and water sources. So the temperatures are usually cool in the mornings in September. A lot of September mornings consist of 40 to 50 degree temperatures, which is very comfortable.
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 19, 2014 22:35:23 GMT -5
Dude you are rehashing the same subject that was shot down in the public suggestions and input by several hunters .KY honestly you have what you want in your state .Whey would we mess up a good thing here we don't get out and stink up the woods for two months before season and it shows in the harvest results here compared to those there .
You guys have more hunters and lots more deer down there but by the time it starts getting good there you KY guys have stomped up ,stunk up ,and banged up your deer so much with the early ML and Sept bow starter that your rut hunting kill numbers suffer because of those things .Your harvest down there should be much higher than it is now .More days hunting deer is not always better in deer hunting especially for the hunters who hunt too much before the rut is even rolling.
Just my two cents lets leave some things alone that work flawlessly .Honestly bowhunters have too many days in the woods compared to other type hunters anyways why give em more when in fact many of them would take away from the majority of hunters in this state "gun hunter"..?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 22:45:08 GMT -5
The rut is good, but why wait for the hunting to get good during the rut, when the hunting is already good in September over or near food sources. September is actually one of the best times to take a trophy Buck other than the rut. KY is a 1 Buck rule state, so when thousands of Deer hunters in KY harvest a Buck in September. They are done Buck hunting for the rest of the season.
So this actually creates less people hunting Bucks in Kentucky in October, November, December, and January. So some could say this creates less pressure during the rut, because there are less people left able to take a Buck.
This same phenomenon would occur and benefit Indiana. I hunt in KY, IN, and TN almost every year. I just think it would be a bonus to be able to hunt Velvet Bucks in Indiana in September. And since the Indiana Urban Zone hunters already have been given the freedom to hunt in September, I think it would be nice if hunters in the rest of the state could do the same.
And about people being out walking in the woods months before the rut, people already do that when they set up and check their trail cams throughout June, July, August and during the entire Summer, or when they Dove, or Squirrel Hunt, or scout for the upcoming Deer season.
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Post by steve46511 on Sept 20, 2014 4:25:23 GMT -5
Nope.
The deer numbers are going down and just started doing so.
The newer second antlerless firearm season is just that, still new.
We can hunt with a bow more than 3 months straight in the best of all hunting times.
We have special urban seasons, special urban deer limits and "depredation" permits.
We have EHD and who knows what other diseases and large numbers of coyotes hammering at the herd.
We have less and less habitat left to hunt annually and less and less areas for the deer to HIDE.
We have had record or near record kills for a long, long time.
And now we are PROBABLY going to have state wide HPR allowed that we don't KNOW how that will affect herd numbers ALONG WITH all the other, still new changes.
LETS GIVE THE DEER HERD A BREAK and give the regulations in play NOW time to equalize and see the over all LONG TERM effect before adding MORE. THAT will be sometime like 5-8 years down the road AS IS.
Most people take as many deer as they desire in a season. More time isn't required and FEW would take advantage of more time in the field when the crops are still up. Crops are still standing, it's hot, and not anywhere close to breeding season. It's just not a good time to hunt DEER and we have other hunters that would like to be in the field too. LOTS of deer hunting areas HERE the land owner lets small game and waterfowl hunters in before deer season starts. When any deer season opens, no one but deer hunters are allowed in there.
No, I don't feel an early archery would "reduce the herd" in itself but holy moly..........
I'm starting to feel sorry for the DEER! and last BUT NOT LEAST
"DEER HUNTING" is not ONLY ABOUT more chances to shoot a buck.
God Bless
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Post by drs on Sept 20, 2014 5:08:43 GMT -5
No, I think a September 15th opening date is too early. First weekend in October is better as it's a bit cooler weather plus a lot of Hunters are still hunting Squirrels in September.
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Post by steve46511 on Sept 20, 2014 5:15:03 GMT -5
Additionally, the current Oct 1 starting date IS the result of an "earlier archery season" push.
For decades it was Oct 15.
God Bless
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 20, 2014 5:57:52 GMT -5
No. Indiana's deer season is already one of longest in mid western states.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 20, 2014 6:04:26 GMT -5
With Youth Weekend being the last weekend in Sept. (pretty early anyways) I would prefer to see that time be for them only; that would only leave 1 new one after that - nah, leave it as is.
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Post by swilk on Sept 20, 2014 6:48:58 GMT -5
I would like a September 1 start date....the 15th is too late for velvet bucks.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Sept 20, 2014 7:15:25 GMT -5
No, deer season is long enough now.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 20, 2014 7:20:31 GMT -5
If the state decided that there should be a statewide September season it should mirror Kentucky's and start the first Saturday. Even though the one proposal was for vertical bows only and a statewide start on September 15 I was not opposed to it. I have never been opposed to any "more opportunity" proposal as long as it is not detrimental to the herd. That is a deer biologist call. Just like the present centerfire proposal. I'm quite sure that the DNR has done their homework from states that allow centerfires, just like they did on crossbows.
I'm a fence sitter on this..
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Post by drs on Sept 20, 2014 8:09:29 GMT -5
No, deer season is long enough now. I remember back in the early 1970's Kentucky's rifle season was only five days long. One Buck (with forked antlers) only.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 20, 2014 8:48:13 GMT -5
I don't care. I guess I'm still stuck in the past of the opener being October 15th. I still done get fired up or in the woods till the last part or the end of October. So with that being said I still wouldn't be in the woods any earlier. In my opinion it's just to hot before that.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 20, 2014 9:11:33 GMT -5
I don't care. I guess I'm still stuck in the past of the opener being October 15th. I still done get fired up or in the woods till the last part or the end of October. So with that being said I still wouldn't be in the woods any earlier. In my opinion it's just to hot before that. ^^^^ THIS
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 20, 2014 9:24:09 GMT -5
I'd be happy with a September 1 opener as well.. I'd gladly trade the first 3 weeks of October for the first 3 weeks of September. Hunt the first half of September, then let things settle down for 5-6 weeks and start hunting again at the pre-rut time.
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Post by bart1533 on Sept 20, 2014 12:51:12 GMT -5
Nope........
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Post by michaeladkins on Sept 20, 2014 13:13:47 GMT -5
My wife would "hunt" me if it started any earlier. So no thanks.
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 20, 2014 13:41:31 GMT -5
And about people being out walking in the woods months before the rut, people already do that when they set up and check their trail cams throughout June, July, August and during the entire Summer, or when they Dove, or Squirrel Hunt, or scout for the upcoming Deer season. I will only address this of your statements .. Lets be honest the occasional walk through of a woods is nothing compared to the constant every day pounding of deer hunting in a area .To be honest there is not as much human activity as you think in the woods outside deer season and its not even remotely the same intensity as Deer hunting for hours on end over and over for two months .And that is what it is in bow season intense up close human pressure and it deeply changes what deer do. I think we here in IN . have it right not so much in the early starting states .Why change what is likely one of the top reasons we are always a top end buck producing state and always have been ..FYI the rut is very best buck hunting in any state period no question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 14:41:36 GMT -5
The rut is definitely the best time to take a big Buck, September would be the 2nd best time to take a big Buck. One of the best times to pattern a mature Buck is in late summer and September.
A lot of people will watch a big velvet Buck, or a group of velvet Bucks repeatedly come out to a food plot, or soybean field every evening in the summer. In early to mid September, the Bucks are still doing this. So the September hunter typically sets up over the food plot, or fields, or they set up on a travel route that leads to a food plot or soybean field.
Most of the September hunting is done the first two hours of daylight, and the last two hours of daylight. So temperatures are actually cool and mild. It can definitely be a good time to hunt, the harvest results confirm this. In KY there are literally thousands of Deer taken every September, in Missouri there are thousands of deer taken each season in September as well. What is impressive is the good numbers of mature trophy Bucks that are taken every year in states that allow September hunting. In fact people actually come here to KY and pay thousands of dollars just to hunt Velvet Bucks. Multiple Bucks over 180 inches are taken every September in KY, and thousands of other Bucks are taken as well. This is because they are easy to pattern and predict around food sources.
In September, Deer are very easy to pattern and predictable on and around water and food sources, and travel routes leading to food sources. By October, the Bucks have lost their Velvet, they are more territorial, scattered out. The food sources change also. The crops get cut, or are being cut, so hunting at or near the food sources is no longer as effective as it was in September. So the October Deer are often harder to pattern and predict. Then in November, things get good again because of the rut.
I have hunted Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee for years. And personally my favorite months to hunt are September and November. I like to hunt on travel routes leading to food sources in September in the early morning and late evening. Then in November I like to hunt pinch points, and travel routes, places where does will travel through, then Bucks often follow.
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Post by beermaker on Sept 20, 2014 15:54:20 GMT -5
I don't really care either way. I don't get too excited until Oct. 15-20, or even later. Just depends on the weather and what is going on at home. I can say with 100% certainty that I would not be in the woods with a bow in September. Hell, I am a squirrel hunting fanatic and I have only made it out twice so far this year.
I don't think the herd or hunting conditions for the Fall and rut time would change. I don't know that many guys that bow hunt and most of them are pretty savvy and don't get in the woods until early November. Maybe some public areas close to larger populations would get some action, but I can't imagine that the rural parcels would get any noticeable pressure.
For what it's worth, I interact with a good number of KY hunters through work and they all say that, unless you have some good food plots, it just is not worth fighting the heat and bugs in September.
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