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Post by firstwd on Sept 20, 2014 16:27:35 GMT -5
So September deer hunting is tossed up as an option because it is easy to pattern large bucks and easier to kill them? In my narrow view of the world, that simply means more big bucks will fall before they get the chance to pass along their genes that particular year. Sooner or later that has to come back to haunt an area.
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 20, 2014 17:30:30 GMT -5
Should the ones behind this bash those against like those for HPRs did to those opposed??
I'm a bow hunter through and through but even I think we need to ease up for a few seasons and evaluate. I hate that we keep making changes seemingly every year. All the changes overlapping cause us to not accurately judge if things like the late season antlerless period or crossbows for all HAVE ANY MEASUREABLE difference in harvest numbers or licenses sold.
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Post by windingwinds on Sept 20, 2014 18:08:34 GMT -5
I admit the week before October 1st I am dreaming of deer hunting quite a bit, but I would just get excited just earlier if they moved up the season. While we are rehashing deer laws from other states, why not have a 3 buck limit like Tennessee? Oh right, they have habitat, which in Indiana is rapidly disappearing. If they let me hunt in August I probably would. (Already do for squirrel) The rut doesn't have to be on for the woods to be the best place to be.
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Post by throbak on Sept 20, 2014 18:31:13 GMT -5
I miss the old 10-15 start date That was perfect imo
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 20, 2014 19:24:01 GMT -5
I miss the old 10-15 start date That was perfect imo Any reason specifically?
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Post by stevein on Sept 20, 2014 19:37:49 GMT -5
Just open it 9-15 for anything you want to hunt with like South Carolina. Allow baiting like some states do. Allow the use of dogs like some states do. Allow party hunting like some states do. How about a buck a day like some states do. There is no end, leave it as it is for a while. The only way I would go along with an early open Archery is if they would quit trying to take time in gun season away from us.
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Post by throbak on Sept 20, 2014 20:42:54 GMT -5
It was always a little bit cooler and believe it or not those 15 days with no hunters in the woods I think made the Hunting better because the deer had less time to pattern YOU before the pre Rut
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 20, 2014 20:51:59 GMT -5
It was always a little bit cooler and believe it or not those 15 days with no hunters in the woods I think made the Hunting better because the deer had less time to pattern YOU before the pre Rut Please don't take this wrong but that is the hunter's fault if the deer pattern you...also if this is the case then like we do on one small property is not hunt it till days before and during gun (still usually with our bows tho). I hear ya on the temp thing tho...been a few times hunting early where I am sweating and hate it...but it has paid off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 20:57:52 GMT -5
Some good opinions and statements. It is good that everyone is explaining their opinions while still being polite and respectful to others.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 20, 2014 20:57:59 GMT -5
How about a September 1 opening for self bows, long bows, and recurve bows with no sights, instinctive shooting only.......
Seriously, I'm not for opening earlier than we already do. The reason depredation permits are used in July and August is because deer are in a summer pattern. If statewide season was opened early everyone would here about who does and who doesn't have the chosen deer food source. I believe that will also be the case if the urban zones are kept open through January.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 21:13:09 GMT -5
Another potential benefit of September hunting is the more people who take a Buck in September, equates to less people trying to take a Buck in October, and November and during the rut. For example, every year in Kentucky several thousand Bucks are taken by hunters. What does this mean ? Since KY is a one Buck rule state, it means that these thousands of hunters who take their one Buck every September are done Buck hunting on private land for the entire season. This equates to several thousand LESS hunters in the woods trying to take a Buck in October and November. So essentially this creates LESS hunting pressure in the months following September such as October and November. This happens a lot. Lets say you hunt a farm with 5 other hunters. Well, if 3 of those hunters take a Buck in September, that means that only you and the other two hunters are now able to hunt for a Buck the rest of the season on your farm. So instead of all 6 people hunting for a Buck in October or during the November rut, now only 3 of you can hunt a Buck, because the other 3 hunters already got their one Buck for the season in September. This occurs on thousands of farms every year in KY, and in all other states that have a September statewide Bow Season start date. Who does this benefit ? Well, it obviously benefits the hunters that choose to hunt in September, and are fortunate enough to take a Buck in September. This also benefits hunters of all types with bow and firearm later in the season since there will be LESS people able to hunt a Buck. And once again, it is good that everyone is giving their opinions and thoughts while still being respectful to each other.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 20, 2014 21:20:36 GMT -5
^^^^ and less people in the woods shooting does during a time that the state is trying to reduce deer numbers, not to mention less hunters in the woods bumping those locked down deer up and possibly in front of hunters that can still shoot their one antlered deer.
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 20, 2014 22:04:23 GMT -5
Another potential benefit of September hunting is the more people who take a Buck in September, equates to less people trying to take a Buck in October, and November and during the rut. For example, every year in Kentucky several thousand Bucks are taken by hunters. What does this mean ? Since KY is a one Buck rule state, it means that these thousands of hunters who take their one Buck every September are done Buck hunting on private land for the entire season. This equates to several thousand LESS hunters in the woods trying to take a Buck in October and November. So essentially this creates LESS hunting pressure in the months following September such as October and November. This happens a lot. Lets say you hunt a farm with 5 other hunters. Well, if 3 of those hunters take a Buck in September, that means that only you and the other two hunters are now able to hunt for a Buck the rest of the season on your farm. So instead of all 6 people hunting for a Buck in October or during the November rut, now only 3 of you can hunt a Buck, because the other 3 hunters already got their one Buck for the season in September. This occurs on thousands of farms every year in KY, and in all other states that have a September statewide Bow Season start date. Who does this benefit ? Well, it obviously benefits the hunters that choose to hunt in September, and are fortunate enough to take a Buck in September. This also benefits hunters of all types with bow and firearm later in the season since there will be LESS people able to hunt a Buck. And once again, it is good that everyone is giving their opinions and thoughts while still being respectful to each other. Sorry but this makes no sense at all early or late its still the same pressure and still the same dead bucks just the fact they are gone early don't change anything they are still dead and gone and will not be replaced until the fallowing spring when the buck fawns are born .Actually this dead bucks early thing means less bucks to hunt come rut .Sorry totally off base .IMHO
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Post by deerhunter1110 on Sept 20, 2014 23:46:15 GMT -5
I don't think bow hunters need any more time. If any thing I think the youth season should be from September 15 till October 1 that way you don't only have 2 days to rush if the weather is bad or work stops you from taking them to enjoy learning about the traditions we learned and love so much. And that is just my 2 cents after raising 6 kids.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 21, 2014 2:08:38 GMT -5
I don't really care either way. I don't get too excited until Oct. 15-20, or even later. Just depends on the weather and what is going on at home. I can say with 100% certainty that I would not be in the woods with a bow in September. Hell, I am a squirrel hunting fanatic and I have only made it out twice so far this year.
I don't think the herd or hunting conditions for the Fall and rut time would change. I don't know that many guys that bow hunt and most of them are pretty savvy and don't get in the woods until early November. Maybe some public areas close to larger populations would get some action, but I can't imagine that the rural parcels would get any noticeable pressure.
For what it's worth, I interact with a good number of KY hunters through work and they all say that, unless you have some good food plots, it just is not worth fighting the heat and bugs in September. ^^^^^^ THIS. PLUS 1
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Sept 21, 2014 7:03:20 GMT -5
I don't think bow hunters need any more time. If any thing I think the youth season should be from September 15 till October 1 that way you don't only have 2 days to rush if the weather is bad or work stops you from taking them to enjoy learning about the traditions we learned and love so much. And that is just my 2 cents after raising 6 kids. This is an excellent idea, never fails the kids have games that weekend. Won't be going again this year. What happened to the youth weekend that was put on by this site for the kids this year?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 18:01:52 GMT -5
Another potential benefit of September hunting is the more people who take a Buck in September, equates to less people trying to take a Buck in October, and November and during the rut. For example, every year in Kentucky several thousand Bucks are taken by hunters. What does this mean ? Since KY is a one Buck rule state, it means that these thousands of hunters who take their one Buck every September are done Buck hunting on private land for the entire season. This equates to several thousand LESS hunters in the woods trying to take a Buck in October and November. So essentially this creates LESS hunting pressure in the months following September such as October and November. This happens a lot. Lets say you hunt a farm with 5 other hunters. Well, if 3 of those hunters take a Buck in September, that means that only you and the other two hunters are now able to hunt for a Buck the rest of the season on your farm. So instead of all 6 people hunting for a Buck in October or during the November rut, now only 3 of you can hunt a Buck, because the other 3 hunters already got their one Buck for the season in September. This occurs on thousands of farms every year in KY, and in all other states that have a September statewide Bow Season start date. Who does this benefit ? Well, it obviously benefits the hunters that choose to hunt in September, and are fortunate enough to take a Buck in September. This also benefits hunters of all types with bow and firearm later in the season since there will be LESS people able to hunt a Buck. And once again, it is good that everyone is giving their opinions and thoughts while still being respectful to each other. Sorry but this makes no sense at all early or late its still the same pressure and still the same dead bucks just the fact they are gone early don't change anything they are still dead and gone and will not be replaced until the fallowing spring when the buck fawns are born .Actually this dead bucks early thing means less bucks to hunt come rut .Sorry totally off base .IMHO You keep coming back to the November Rut. Why does the November rut matter if your able to take your mature Buck for the season in September ? And I was previously saying that the more hunters that take a Buck in September, would equate to less hunters hunting Bucks in October and November. Which would simply mean LESS hunting pressure in October and November for Bucks. If you have a mature Buck on your land you are seeing continuously coming out and feeding every evening in a soybean field or food plot every evening in June, July, August, and September. By far the easiest time to pattern and take that Buck is in September. You know those Bucks you see just before dark in daylight hours you see on your trail cams feeding in food plots, or soybean fields all summer and into September ? You know how you can pretty much count on them to come out nearly every evening in the same place to feed ? Well imagine how nice it would be to be able to have a tree stand set up in those places in September, when you can pretty much count on those Bucks coming out and feeding in the same places nearly every evening. That is the great thing about September hunting. Now if you have Bucks on your land that you have been watching, and your trying to take them in the November rut, you may be able to, or they may end up miles away chasing after a Doe. So November is not nearly as predictable as September. Based on hunting Kentucky, and Indiana over the years, my two favorite months to hunt are September and November, both are good in their own ways.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 18:15:45 GMT -5
You keep coming back to the November Rut. Why does the November rut matter if your able to take your mature Buck for the season in September ? And I was previously saying that the more hunters that take a Buck in September, would equate to less hunters hunting Bucks in October and November. Which would simply mean LESS hunting pressure in October and November for Bucks. If you have a mature Buck on your land you are seeing continuously coming out and feeding every evening in a soybean field or food plot every evening in June, July, August, and September. By far the easiest time to pattern and take that Buck is in September. You know those Bucks you see just before dark in daylight hours you see on your trail cams feeding in food plots, or soybean fields all summer and into September ? You know how you can pretty much count on them to come out nearly every evening in the same place to feed ? Well imagine how nice it would be to be able to have a tree stand set up in those places in September, when you can pretty much count on those Bucks coming out and feeding in the same places nearly every evening. That is the great thing about September hunting. Now if you have Bucks on your land that you have been watching, and your trying to take them in the November rut, you may be able to, or they may end up miles away chasing after a Doe. So November is not nearly as predictable as September. Based on hunting Kentucky, and Indiana over the years, my two favorite months to hunt are September and November, both are good in their own ways. [/quote] Another potential benefit of September hunting is the more people who take a Buck in September, equates to less people trying to take a Buck in October, and November and during the rut. For example, every year in Kentucky several thousand Bucks are taken by hunters. What does this mean ? Since KY is a one Buck rule state, it means that these thousands of hunters who take their one Buck every September are done Buck hunting on private land for the entire season. This equates to several thousand LESS hunters in the woods trying to take a Buck in October and November. So essentially this creates LESS hunting pressure in the months following September such as October and November. This happens a lot. Lets say you hunt a farm with 5 other hunters. Well, if 3 of those hunters take a Buck in September, that means that only you and the other two hunters are now able to hunt for a Buck the rest of the season on your farm. So instead of all 6 people hunting for a Buck in October or during the November rut, now only 3 of you can hunt a Buck, because the other 3 hunters already got their one Buck for the season in September. This occurs on thousands of farms every year in KY, and in all other states that have a September statewide Bow Season start date. Who does this benefit ? Well, it obviously benefits the hunters that choose to hunt in September, and are fortunate enough to take a Buck in September. This also benefits hunters of all types with bow and firearm later in the season since there will be LESS people able to hunt a Buck. And once again, it is good that everyone is giving their opinions and thoughts while still being respectful to each other. Sorry but this makes no sense at all early or late its still the same pressure and still the same dead bucks just the fact they are gone early don't change anything they are still dead and gone and will not be replaced until the fallowing spring when the buck fawns are born .Actually this dead bucks early thing means less bucks to hunt come rut .Sorry totally off base .IMHO
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Post by firstwd on Sept 21, 2014 18:25:08 GMT -5
Kinda makes September sound more like deer pen shooting than deer hunting. ......
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 21, 2014 19:35:47 GMT -5
Kinda makes September sound more like deer pen shooting than deer hunting. ...... Yeah... It sounds too easy..
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