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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 2, 2014 9:33:30 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if the CO that addresses questions on this forum is consistent with what that CO told you. Not saying it's right, but I think that's what he'll say.
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Post by dead-eye on Oct 2, 2014 10:12:54 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if the CO that addresses questions on this forum is consistent with what that CO told you. Not saying it's right, but I think that's what he'll say. There are a lot of rules that seem to be interpreted differently between c.o.'s I imagine if you ask five different officers you would probably get five different answers. Kind of a grey area in the regulations.
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Post by span870 on Oct 2, 2014 10:17:03 GMT -5
Have to say if you put a stand up on public land and you aren't there then its fair game for someone to hunt the area. Notice I said the area. No I don't agree you can use someone else's stand. I've seen areas in hnf where guys try to lock up an area year after year by hanging stands everywhere. If you ain't in the area and I get there first I'm hanging MY stand. In the same token I expect you to not hunt that area if you come in after me. I have hung stands on public ground and came in and someone else was hunting three or four trees from me and I left. I have hunted state park hunts, pre hung my stand, came back later and someone hung a stand 15 yards from mine. I just pulled mine and moved it somewhere else. Way I see it common courtesy goes a long way but on public land it seems lacking. Heck on some of the private land I hunt it is the same. But that's society these days.
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Post by span870 on Oct 2, 2014 10:34:24 GMT -5
No it's not. Good hunter ethics is to be in your tree stand if you expect to tie up a good hunting spot. I've seen guys try to tie up 50 acres building tree stands and putting them out all over the place like they own it. All they accomplished was to let me stop carrying mine in every day and I never saw any one out there in the 3 seasons I hunted out of them. Including opening weekend. You can't buy an acre of public ground for a $20 tree stand and think you are going to keep every one off it all season. At least it's not keeping me off it. If I want to, I'll hang mine in the same tree yours is if you aren't sitting in it. If I do that, I'm not getting down when you show up an hour after day light. What the heck is wrong with you old man /Your ethics are really lacking to say the least by your many posts and own words here . FYI if I caught you in my tree or stand we would spend the day starring at each other as I climbed over you to get on stand .Like it or not..And there would not be a single thing you could do about it . Let me get this straight. I buy 20 stands and put them every 40 yards then I lock up that property?
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Oct 2, 2014 11:47:41 GMT -5
Went check a acorn tree on my property and found a tree stand on my side already. Oct 1 and it already has started. Wow. How do you like your new stand? It was a ladder leaning against the tree and a hang on stand, took them down and put in barn. I can never have to many stands.
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Post by mstr2175 on Oct 2, 2014 11:49:49 GMT -5
If I put up a stand in an area, then I would not mind other hunters using it..as long as they treat my stand respectfully. If you are using it and I show up, then it is possible I will ask you to get down to let me use it, depending on how bad I care to hunt that spot on that day. On the other hand, if I show up and you have your own tree stand in the same area (it can even be the tree next to mine), then I will simply turn around and let you hunt the area. All I am saying is yes, it is public property so, I don't see it right to put a stand up and expect no one to use it (maybe you have that perfect tree in the right spot)...but when I ask you to get down because it is my stand, then I expect compliance out of good ethics.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2014 12:37:27 GMT -5
I guess I am amazed of the few guys that say they wouldn't mind someone using their stand if they aren't present. If you didn't get permission from me to sit in it then I would have a problem with it. As someone mentioned earlier, How would you feel if your truck was parked at a public park? Would you be ok with someone even sitting in it? Is this not the same deal? If you didnt hang it or get permission to sit in it from the owner STAY OUT!!!...that is good ethics! The entitlement of some people baffles me. Get off your lazy butt and go hang your own stand.
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 2, 2014 12:39:29 GMT -5
An ethical person would not use another persons stand without permission.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:52:35 GMT -5
I've been following this thread with interest and just felt the need to chime in. . It's a strange question to me and raises all kinds of scenarios, few of which are good. I guess it would be better to take a guys stand down and lay it on the ground and replace it with your own stand if you want to use that tree? Personally, I don't see how it should be legal for someone to leave a stand on a tree on public land, period. I would limit public land hunting to climbers...problem solved. After all, that's a public tree too and if someone else is there first that day, why should some absentee hunter have dibs on a tree? Doesn't seem fair to me...but then I don't hunt public land except for draw hunts.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 2, 2014 13:20:05 GMT -5
No it's not. Good hunter ethics is to be in your tree stand if you expect to tie up a good hunting spot. I've seen guys try to tie up 50 acres building tree stands and putting them out all over the place like they own it. All they accomplished was to let me stop carrying mine in every day and I never saw any one out there in the 3 seasons I hunted out of them. Including opening weekend. You can't buy an acre of public ground for a $20 tree stand and think you are going to keep every one off it all season. At least it's not keeping me off it. If I want to, I'll hang mine in the same tree yours is if you aren't sitting in it. If I do that, I'm not getting down when you show up an hour after day light. What the heck is wrong with you old man /Your ethics are really lacking to say the least by your many posts and own words here . FYI if I caught you in my tree or stand we would spend the day starring at each other as I climbed over you to get on stand .Like it or not..And there would not be a single thing you could do about it . That's why it's called public land and in a battle of who is more stubborn I doubt you are going to even come close to me. I went to work for 5 years after I could retire just out of pure spite.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 2, 2014 13:21:44 GMT -5
Have to say if you put a stand up on public land and you aren't there then its fair game for someone to hunt the area. Notice I said the area. No I don't agree you can use someone else's stand. I've seen areas in hnf where guys try to lock up an area year after year by hanging stands everywhere. If you ain't in the area and I get there first I'm hanging MY stand. In the same token I expect you to not hunt that area if you come in after me. I have hung stands on public ground and came in and someone else was hunting three or four trees from me and I left. I have hunted state park hunts, pre hung my stand, came back later and someone hung a stand 15 yards from mine. I just pulled mine and moved it somewhere else. Way I see it common courtesy goes a long way but on public land it seems lacking. Heck on some of the private land I hunt it is the same. But that's society these days. Ain't that the truth.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2014 13:25:46 GMT -5
Jackryan, How often do you sit in someone else's stand?
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Post by jackryan on Oct 2, 2014 13:26:22 GMT -5
What the heck is wrong with you old man /Your ethics are really lacking to say the least by your many posts and own words here . FYI if I caught you in my tree or stand we would spend the day starring at each other as I climbed over you to get on stand .Like it or not..And there would not be a single thing you could do about it . Let me get this straight. I buy 20 stands and put them every 40 yards then I lock up that property? Some people THINK so. If you read enough hunting boards you'll find there are even people who think just a piece of flagging tape every ten feet should make you park some where else or stay out of the area you scouted for three months before. I just cut that litter down on the way in, look their spot over real good to see what they thought made it so good. Then if I like it I'll hang my stand on and hunt there. If not I'll go on to my own spot and never leave a mark on the way for them to find mine. Most times the tree they lead to is close enough to see the road when you climb it.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2014 13:29:24 GMT -5
Meta, Wouldn't it be the same level of unfairness the time you occupy a tree in a climber? What if I want the exact same tree you decided to climb? What if your family has picked a certain picnic table at a public park? I really want that table! It isnt fair that your family arrived there first? Scoot over!
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Post by esshup on Oct 2, 2014 13:30:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately you never know who is in the woods. This happened about 40 miles from where we were hunting..... crime.about.com/od/news/a/vang041122.htmIt all goes to hunter ethics. Personally? I wouldn't hunt out of another persons stand unless I had permission from them, no matter where it is. I've hunted numerous park hunts, and if I see another stand when scouting, I don't hunt that area, no matter how promising it looks. I always ask myself, what if it was me that put the stand there? Would I like someone hunting nearby? I've had people set up a stand not 75 yds from my tree stand, even tho they knew I was there. One guy had a bad cold and couldnt' stop coughing. Thankfully half way thru the day he left. Then again, I don't go out placing a bunch of stands trying to lock up a large area. In a park hunt, where it's 2 days and done, I have better things to do with my time than to see who can pee farther. If the area is scoped out by another hunter, then I go look elsewhere. Every state has different laws. I don't know what it is now, but 5 years ago you had to remove your stand at the end of every hunting day in Wisconsin unless you owned the property. There are private lands open to public hunting there, and a stand left overnight could result in a ticket. Yes, back tags are still required there too during firearms season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 13:36:18 GMT -5
Meta, Wouldn't it be the same level of unfairness the time you occupy a tree in a climber? What if I want the exact same tree you decided to climb? What if your family has picked a certain picnic table at a public park? I really want that table! It isnt fair that your family arrived there first? Scoot over! The person there first gets that area for the day. I suppose if someone wants to be a butt hole about it then they can ruin two hunts that day by squatting near by.
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Post by esshup on Oct 2, 2014 13:40:33 GMT -5
Meta, Wouldn't it be the same level of unfairness the time you occupy a tree in a climber? What if I want the exact same tree you decided to climb? What if your family has picked a certain picnic table at a public park? I really want that table! It isnt fair that your family arrived there first? Scoot over! Same could be said for driving on the highway. If I want over in the lane and somebody is there, I have 3 choices. 1) Wait for another opening to get over. 2) Hope they will let me over. 3) Move into that lane anyway, no matter what's there. #3 will likely result in screwing up not only my day but theirs as well. Usually it's option 1, with 2 close behind. Turn signal on of course.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2014 13:43:15 GMT -5
I think there has to some level of respect given to a person who atleast took the time and energy to hang a stand in certain area. I think most of us do offer that respect and I have no doubt you would too if you had to hunt public land.I have never read a disrespectful comment from you. I understand its public ground and is set aside for all of us to use but to sit in a persons stand or right next to them just to be a jerk is beyond me.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 2, 2014 13:43:27 GMT -5
Jackryan, How often do you sit in someone else's stand? Probably a dozen times a year at least if you count just climbing up and taking a look around for a few minutes. Maybe just 4-5 times if you only count the times I think I've really got a shot at killing something from there. There's been more than a few times I've cut the nut sack off a buck and nailed it to the tree under my best friends tree stand after killing it from there or a few other guys from the same camp I used to hunt with. I guarantee it if I killed one out of a tree stand left out on HNF. On the flip side, when I moved here, I was planning to walk out the back door to hunt the rest of my life. 5 miles of HNF to the next road and I put up several home made hang on stands in the most remote areas for that 5 miles with the exact expectation who ever found them was welcome to hunt them just like their own. Probably put out a hundred tie on tree steps for all of those chained and locked tree stands. I just figured because I hunted like every one I knew, every one probably hunted like I did. If it's there, use it. Sure it's some one elses. If they cared they wouldn't leave it for you BUT USE IT LIKE A GUEST. USE IT LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME SENSE. I won't say common sense because it's obviously not common. Don't litter. I'd rather you didn't smoke. Don't steal it. Don't move it. If I'm in it when you get there, don't think I'm moving out of my own stand. If you are in it and I show up, AT LEAST OFFER TO MOVE. I've NEVER let any one get down out of my own lock on when I show up late but everyone I've ever met that way has offered and I told them to just treat it like it was their own. I'll get here earlier next time and I moved on to the next one. Two years after I move here and put those up, the last one was stolen. Some were just torn down and thrown in the pond they were next to. I'll never buy another lock on. I use a Summit climber and it goes where I go and when I go or I don't use one and I'll go where ever and when ever I want on public ground.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 2, 2014 13:58:44 GMT -5
So if you typically hunt a specific area and there is already a vehicle or two do you go running in because you put your stand there or do you head down to the next spot? I agree with Jack on this, if you put a stand up and expect no one will use them or avoid "your" area you are delusional. Go ahead and ruin your hunt, I don't have time to ruin my hunt so I find the next spot. To listen to you guys if you got to your stand and a guy was ten feet away in his climber who wins... The guy in the climber .. A hung stand does not reserve the spot... If I walked in and someone was in my stand I'd ask them politely to get down and move on. The decent thing for them to do would be to comply. If they didn't id go hunt elsewhere but would be back the next day to drop the stand. They would not hunt it a second time. The further back in that you walk to your stand the less likely anyone will be in it. Exactly, almost. I don't have a problem with what you said, it's just not EXACTLY what I'd do/have done. I usually would be kind of sneaky coming up to my stand that was already out there and I'd MAYBE take a picture if it looked like a stranger in my stand on public land. I probably would turn around and hunt a different one figuring I am the best hunter in the area. All they are going to accomplish is screw up the area and therefore create a bottle neck with the deer trying to avoid him and send MORE deer my way than if he weren't there. If it DID happen to be my only stand in the area I'd probably roust him out of it. When I have set in someone else's stand I make even more of an effort to leave no indication I was ever there. #1 I don't want them moving it. I want to use it. That way I don't have to carry my own out there. I'm retired, I'll kill everything that walks near that spot monday - friday. Only thing I'd do to give away I was there is I'll cut down and collect ever piece of any kind of flagging I see anywhere on public ground 365 days a year.
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