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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 13:43:49 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Oct 15, 2014 13:50:50 GMT -5
No offense Met....I'm sure the public education system has some really great people..... but the system overall is a joke. A corrupt, inefficient, ineffective joke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 14:01:16 GMT -5
I COMPLETELY disagree. But what does that have to do with this blatant corruption that has happened with Christel House for the SECOND TIME IN TWO YEARS?!?!
After you answer that, please support your opinion about public education with facts. I'm dying to see what you are basing it on.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 15, 2014 14:12:19 GMT -5
What said today in the other thread in this forum; I haven't changed my mind......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 14:19:54 GMT -5
Actually, Swilk...if you are referring to public education at the highest levels politically, then I could not agree with you more. If you were referring to what is happening in "the trenches" then I will take issue, BIG TIME. Perhaps I spoke too soon...
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Post by swilk on Oct 15, 2014 15:20:39 GMT -5
Recent news stories of schools cheating on their standardized tests.
A screw up with one of our local schools where the istep test was misgraded and all the red tape required to get it straightened out.
New schools being built with the typical "fluff" associated with govt waste.
Countless examples if a person chooses to look for them.
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Post by swilk on Oct 15, 2014 15:22:24 GMT -5
The whole thought process behind common core or whatever its called.....good grief, if some of what I've read is accurate that entire system is a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:48:29 GMT -5
Common Core, as written, does have some issues. The idea of common core makes ultimate sense, though. If we are going to rank states against each other based on standardized tests, how can you do that when each state has different standards? Answer? You cant...but we do. Indiana's standards are consistently ranked among the most difficult of any state...in fact, our Social Studies standards are #1. Yet we are ranked along side states that have much less stringent standards. (The same holds true when ranking nations of the world, by the way...not to mention the fact that most of the countries "ranked ahead of us" only test their best and brightest students while we test almost 100% of our students...real fair,  ?) Bill Gates selected the idiots who wrote the common core. Very few actual teachers were allowed in on the process. That's completely backwards. Its also politics and big money. There's your problem! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:53:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 15, 2014 20:05:13 GMT -5
I can only speak from my personal experience, as I am only 9 years removed from my high school graduation, but probably 75% of my teachers from junior high on were some of the laziest people I've ever been around.
Lessons often consisted of packets, which many of the teachers of similar subject matter shared, that would be worked on during class. Every so often, you'd hand your packet to whoever was sitting behind you, for them to grade. The same packets were used year after year, and sometimes you could even get ahold of a completed packet from a student who had the class the year before. Very little, if any, actual teaching took place.
Now, there were a few great teachers who put a lot of effort in and actually taught during their classes. They were a small minority though.
Maybe my public schools were an exception, but I kind of doubt it. It's been my observation that when you practically guarantee someone a job, whether they actually work or not, most people stop putting forth much effort.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 20:18:12 GMT -5
I can only speak from my personal experience, as I am only 9 years removed from my high school graduation, but probably 75% of my teachers from junior high on were some of the laziest people I've ever been around. Lessons often consisted of packets, which many of the teachers of similar subject matter shared, that would be worked on during class. Every so often, you'd hand your packet to whoever was sitting behind you, for them to grade. The same packets were used year after year, and sometimes you could even get ahold of a completed packet from a student who had the class the year before. Very little, if any, actual teaching took place. Now, there were a few great teachers who put a lot of effort in and actually taught during their classes. They were a small minority though. Maybe my public schools were an exception, but I kind of doubt it. It's been my observation that when you practically guarantee someone a job, whether they actually work or not, most people stop putting forth much effort. You would not find a SINGLE example of that type of thing in my school and we have a staff of almost 60 teachers. I know a lot of teachers in other schools around the area and I highly doubt that's going on in those schools either. I am sorry you got a bad experience, but I'll assure you that IS the exception. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 20:22:25 GMT -5
By the way. Before you spread your poor opinion of public schools anymore based solely on your bad experience, I BEG you to go and visit a classroom in a public school. You are invited to come to mine ANY TIME and you will see me and/or any other teacher in my building BUSTING OUR TAILS every day to try to reach as many different learning styles as we possibly can. It is NOT an easy thing to accomplish.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 15, 2014 20:47:26 GMT -5
No offense meant to you Met, anyone can tell from your posts you love and take pride in your job. I wish all teachers had that kind of attitude.
However, I won't hold back from sharing my own experience. I had some teachers who were real stinkers. I have family that work in the school system. I have a daughter in public kindergarten this year. I'm around it plenty, I have no reason to "run down" public schools. I just wish that all teachers were actually required to work on the 180 or so days they show up to school.
I did have some great teachers in public school. People who took pride in what they did. Not the majority though.
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Post by windingwinds on Oct 15, 2014 22:15:40 GMT -5
Having dealt with IEPs with both my sons and from personal experience (including my sister whom is not currently teaching but is a trained teacher): With public schools you get what you pay for. The most important thing that has happened the past few years in public education was to remove tuition requirements if you transferred to a school out of your district. This allowed us to get my sons to a school that performs better and they consequently have begun to succeed. Not everyone has this option, but it's the next best thing to a private school. Common core is trash. Not everyone has the same learning styles or needs. The red tape in public schools ties the hands of many a great teacher. While I have graduated college, not everyone is meant to. And that's okay. Watch Someone's Gotta do it with Mike Rowe on CNN sometime. Instead of focusing on competing and meeting a certain standard, we need to focus on the actual individual child and what is realistic and best for them. (We aren't ever going to be competitive against workers who accept below minimum wages in other countries to begin with).
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Post by drs on Oct 16, 2014 6:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Oct 23, 2014 20:26:51 GMT -5
Met, you are surprised? This crowd hates public schools because of the teachers union, no other reason. It is not an attack on public schools, it is an attack on organized labor. If the public schools were non-union we wouldn't be going through this. The education aspect is secondary to our current leadership, this is a labor issue pure and simple. The unions give money to the Democrats, and the private/ charter school operators give money to the Republicans.
That's really all there is to it. At the moment, the Republicans are in control and are shifting the hose over to their gas tank. Sometime, who knows when, the Democrats will wrestle it back.
I thank you for your dedication to the public good and the kids...there are many like you. Unfortunately there are forces at work way above our pay grade.
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Post by swilk on Oct 24, 2014 5:09:20 GMT -5
Greyhair - before you try and lump everyone into the same mold its best to make sure they all fit.
Personal experience as well as current observations of our educational system form at least three of the opinions here.....ain't got nothing to do with labor unions or politics.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 7:12:17 GMT -5
Yet nobody here seems to want to address the topic of this thread. I guess it doesn't bother anyone...
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