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Post by stevein on Oct 22, 2014 7:59:30 GMT -5
I suspect there is more to this story. The CO would not be there unless called or was tipped there was a violation IMHO. The only time I have been checked except for dove hunting is at the parking lot on public ground. Never in 50 years on private land. I would like to know the rest of the story.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 22, 2014 8:14:39 GMT -5
as long as they fill out a harvest tag while they are waiting on bucky...all is legal They would need to confirm she was in fact dead ... I guess call in a veterinarian if there is any doubt. And that still wouldnt be "Immediate". "Immediately upon kill" .... another poor choice of wording in our rules and regulations. Yep.. "Immediately upon recovery" would be a better choice.. |
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 22, 2014 9:01:11 GMT -5
Buddy was hunting a week ago. Shot a doe around 4. She fell within 35 yes of him. He notched tag and drug her under his tree but didn't put it on her. He climbed back up to resume hunting and co came in threatened to write him misdemeanor and take all of his stuff because tag wasn't on deer. Even though it was ten feet from him. I was under assumption tag did not have to be on unless transporting in motorized vehicle and have been told by other co that as long as tag is notched you can drag thru woods without it on a deer what's everyone else been told CO's discretion and interpretation is always much better than ours. Those fellas are overworked, underpaid and WAY underappreciated. The fact boggling my mind is why get down and drag the deer just 30 yards or so and then keep hunting? Just stay in the tree and than you can tell the CO you were being safe and letting the deer expire and waiting to see if something else walks by...besides just put the tag on the deer if you go to the trouble. In the end the CO didn't do anything other than educate your buddy on the law, in all honesty CO technically "could" have probably done more but didn't....kudos to him/her and congrats to your buddy's harvest. |
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Post by 36fan on Oct 22, 2014 10:34:55 GMT -5
I've been checked by a 3 times CO:
1) relatively close to the parking are on public ground. He wasn't going to come looking for me until he saw me get up and move around (I was sitting on the side of a brush pile, opposite the parking area). He checked my license, asked if I had harvested any deer yet this season, said "OK, thanks - good luck" and left.
2) complaint called in by a cock-eyed city slicker that didn't know the difference between waterfowl hunting with steel shot and shooting deer slugs. He called the local police, they came out and said we where fine and legal, and you could tell the cop was also annoyed at this guy. Cock-eyed city slicker wasn't happy and he called DNR. CO was dispatched checked our licenses, plugs on the shotguns, babbled on a little bit about how there isn't regulations about how from property lines or structures you can hunt (we ~70yds from the road behind us), and said we shouldn't do it because it could become illegal. He also started saying if shot reigned down on someone it could be criminal charges (nearest place it could could've was >200 yds away, IF we shot in the wrong direction). We asked about hunter harassment and he left. He was trying to give us a scare tactic about safety, but his approach was flawed and I think he knew it.
We were in layout blinds about 1/3 of the way into a 15 acre parcel w/ a WWTP on one side, ag field owned by a prison on another side, and the empty backside of park property on the far side - we >0.25 mi from this guy's house and he was offended by the noise. We were within town limits; however, the town doesn't have an ordinance against discharging firearms. I have waterfowl hunted the same place MANY times since w/ out incident.
3) complaint called in while were dispatching mute swans via permit in January. He checked the permit, started to babble about safety of ricochets (we were in the middle of nowhere on private property at a reclaimed strip mine with a high bank opposite us). He was polite, but after a few minutes his approach was starting to irritate me. I then told him I had already discussed it with CO X before coming out. He then said we might want to reconsider killing the swans during waterfowl season and left. I asked for his contact info in case we needed to contact him, and he said he is dispatched through the local 911 and didn't give me his phone number. Again he was trying to give a scare tactic about safety, but he didn't follow his theory all the way through to conclusion and the precautions that had already been taken. If we would've been shooting east instead south and west, he would've had a valid argument; however, the location of the dead birds showed the direction we had shot.
All of the checks were legit, and I have no problem with that. All of the officers were polite, but 2 of the 3 encounters left a little to be desired. After the last encounter I'm beginning to think they are trained to push until you push back, analyze the situation, then make a decision to either say "thank you" and leave, or write a citation. In all of my situations no laws were broken, so they said "thank you" and left.
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Post by steve46511 on Oct 22, 2014 11:10:34 GMT -5
I suspect there is more to this story. The CO would not be there unless called or was tipped there was a violation IMHO. The only time I have been checked except for dove hunting is at the parking lot on public ground. Never in 50 years on private land. I would like to know the rest of the story. Well, IMHO.....you're overdue?  I've also went decades but also had one CO check me THREE times, in the SAME season, in the SAME stand.  , wonder if it had anything to do with HIM hunting the small property 100 yards away on the end of the one Ive hunted 40 years?  No worries. Check away. Nothing to hide or worry about here. God Bless |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 22, 2014 11:21:07 GMT -5
Do any night hunting, for varmints or whatever, and you'll get checked a lot more. I usually get checked a couple times per year.
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Post by esshup on Oct 22, 2014 22:02:51 GMT -5
We're in a field, goose hunting late season. Private property. 2' of snow (or more) everywhere. We're more than 1/4 mile off the road, shooting away from the road. No buildings/roads/people for about a mile in front of us. We used a snowmobile to ferry the 4 guys out in the field, decoys, etc. We're in white in pits we dug in the snow in the ditch. Snowmobile is parked at the edge of the field, maybe 1/4 mile to the North. Road is to our West and we're set up looking and shooting East. Hunting was slow... We notice a car that pulled up and parked on the road. 15 min later the sheriff pulls up. Then another one. I have my binoculars and see that they are looking at either us or the snowmobile parked off to the side. Another 20 minutes The CO pulls up. He gets out his binoculars too. I have no idea if they even notice us there, we haven't fired a shot since the car pulled up, and we're tucked in pretty good. Then the CO starts walking out towards the sled. Post holing with every step. *sigh* We let him get about half way out and then we climb out of the pits. He makes it out to us, sinking to his knees with every step. Seems that the first car called the sheriff saying that somebody crashed a snowmobile in the field and were laying along side of it. (it was the black sled that we used to drag the gear out). The CO was pretty cool, checked us, gave my buddy crap about not having his drivers license on him - only his lifetime license and stamp in a zip lock baggie. We gave him crap about having to walk out and not having a snowmobile to make his life easier, and having a crappy pair of binoculars because nobody could tell that it was a black plastic sled next to the snowmobile. He even jumped into an extra pit that we dug when a flock of geese started heading our way and told us to see what we could do about getting them to commit to the dekes. He said that until we stood up, he had no idea that there was anybody in the field. |
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 23, 2014 8:46:17 GMT -5
I've only been checked once for fishing on public waters,never for hunting.
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Post by chubwub on Oct 24, 2014 14:35:20 GMT -5
This is a supposedly true story told me. The source has been able to back up all their stories prior to this one so I believe it is at least somewhat authentic:
Legend has it that a certain man was once hunting about 15 years ago during a very heavy snow on public land and had just made a kill at night about 300 yards away that fell into a very deep snow bank. Promptly after the shot, a CO whom the gentleman had previous encounters with before and had a reputation as a being a bit of a bully(no violations or tickets ever issued in any of the encounters but some were as equally hilarious as this story) came to visit and said the man was under arrest for deer poaching, confiscated his gun and asked the gentleman where exactly he had shot the deer. The CO was very excited about finally making this gentleman pay for his attitude towards him.
The gentleman decided it was in his best interest to remain silent and only said "The game I have shot tonight is in that ditch over there." Since the gentleman was being cooperative, the CO decided not to cuff him and told him to wait there and not to move or face resisting arrest.The gentleman stood there and watched the CO tromp and stumble through 1 1/2 ft snow across the field in order to reach the ditch for 20 minutes and grumbling every step of the way about how hard it was. He looked into the ditch and found... 3 freshly dead coyotes. The walk back from the ditch took the CO even longer and he came back with his head down and covered in sweat from the ordeal and obviously very flustered and bright red. Finding it too hard to resist, the gentleman said "Did you find what you needed over there?" The CO wouldn't answer and just check the gentleman's license, gave him back his gun and drove off while the gentleman did his best to keep from grinning.
Allegedly after this incident that particular CO avoided checking that guy for any reason, even going so far as to send someone else in his place if he saw the gentleman's truck parked in the area.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 27, 2014 6:24:45 GMT -5
not sure how you "notch a tag" now days with the paper lic. Never had a problem notching the printer-paper copies! I use my always very sharp Buck knife to do the notching before I start field-dressing. |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 27, 2014 6:28:31 GMT -5
Buddy was hunting a week ago. Shot a doe around 4. She fell within 35 yes of him. He notched tag and drug her under his tree but didn't put it on her. He climbed back up to resume hunting and co came in threatened to write him misdemeanor and take all of his stuff because tag wasn't on deer. Even though it was ten feet from him. I was under assumption tag did not have to be on unless transporting in motorized vehicle and have been told by other co that as long as tag is notched you can drag thru woods without it on a deer what's everyone else been told I always notch my transport tag when I confirm the deer is dead before field-dressing. I put the notched tag back into my wallet & tag the deer after I load-up the deer for transport & check-in. I have lost a few tags back in the day as an apprentice deer hunter while dragging them out of the woods. Had to back-track to find em! |
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 27, 2014 6:56:31 GMT -5
I like KY's method of having a log; enter it in the log (which is a piece of paper about the size of your license) and add the check in number to the log when you get it. Nothing attaches to the animal.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2014 7:00:16 GMT -5
Buddy was hunting a week ago. Shot a doe around 4. She fell within 35 yes of him. He notched tag and drug her under his tree but didn't put it on her. He climbed back up to resume hunting and co came in threatened to write him misdemeanor and take all of his stuff because tag wasn't on deer. Even though it was ten feet from him. I was under assumption tag did not have to be on unless transporting in motorized vehicle and have been told by other co that as long as tag is notched you can drag thru woods without it on a deer what's everyone else been told I always notch my transport tag when I confirm the deer is dead before field-dressing. I put the notched tag back into my wallet & tag the deer after I load-up the deer for transport & check-in. I have lost a few tags back in the day as an apprentice deer hunter while dragging them out of the woods. Had to back-track to find em! ^^^^ THIS "transport" also means hauling it out of the woods on an ATV. Put it on a motorized vehicle, of any kind, put a tag on it.. |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 27, 2014 10:46:28 GMT -5
I always notch my transport tag when I confirm the deer is dead before field-dressing. I put the notched tag back into my wallet & tag the deer after I load-up the deer for transport & check-in. I have lost a few tags back in the day as an apprentice deer hunter while dragging them out of the woods. Had to back-track to find em! ^^^^ THIS "transport" also means hauling it out of the woods on an ATV. Put it on a motorized vehicle, of any kind, put a tag on it.. I don't agree! Since "IN a vehicle" & "transport" are not defined, it seems to "me" to apply to a mode of transportation on a county &/or state road from the property where taken. Most counties do not allow an ATV/UTV on county &/or state roads. Does your line of thinking include a tractor, skidder, riding lawnmower, golf cart, etc...? Sometimes terrain is too rough &/or sometimes a deer is too heavy to put "ON an ATV/UTV" & is dragged back to my truck for transport. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2014 11:02:40 GMT -5
^^^^ THIS "transport" also means hauling it out of the woods on an ATV. Put it on a motorized vehicle, of any kind, put a tag on it.. I don't agree! Since "IN a vehicle" & "transport" are not defined, it seems to "me" to apply to a mode of transportation on a county &/or state road from the property where taken. Most counties do not allow an ATV/UTV on county &/or state roads. Does your line of thinking include a tractor, skidder, riding lawnmower, golf cart, etc...? Sometimes terrain is too rough &/or sometimes a deer is too heavy to put "ON an ATV/UTV" & is dragged back to my truck for transport. Not my line of thinking. This was discussed on here a year or two ago after one member was cited when he hauled out an untagged deer on a ATV. Good question to ask Morrison... |
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Post by steve46511 on Oct 27, 2014 11:07:34 GMT -5
I always notch my transport tag when I confirm the deer is dead before field-dressing. I put the notched tag back into my wallet & tag the deer after I load-up the deer for transport & check-in. I have lost a few tags back in the day as an apprentice deer hunter while dragging them out of the woods. Had to back-track to find em! ^^^^ THIS "transport" also means hauling it out of the woods on an ATV. Put it on a motorized vehicle, of any kind, put a tag on it.. I am in full agreement. trans·port verb verb: transport; 3rd person present: transports; past tense: transported; past participle: transported; gerund or present participle: transporting /tranˈspôrt/ 1. take or carry (people or goods) from one place to another by means of a vehicle, aircraft, or ship. To "cover all the bases" I simply attach the tag in manner I described, fully protected by the plastic bag before moving it in ANY manner, even dragging by hand. Only paper tag I've ever lost was decades back when a buddy wouldn't attach it and had it laying on the dash............when he rolled down the window as we were going down the highway in the dark. Whoosh...........and out the window it went. It just is not a big deal to me WHEN I put the tag on it so I just do so immediately upon finding the animal. I've yet to see a down-side to doing what I need to do sooner or later anyway, BEFORE it is mandatory. Any time a law "appears" unclear TO ME, I just cover that base ASAP and forget about it. No harm, no foul.God Bless |
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Post by 36fan on Oct 27, 2014 11:25:10 GMT -5
The dictionary definition is not a legal definition. Near the beginning of all statues is a definition section. For something to be legally enforceable, it has to be defined.
The CO may issue someone a citation based upon his definition, but if challenged in court, it can be thrown out.
I know of an instance recently in what I deal with where a lower judge pulled out a dictionary to get the definition of something instead of using the legally defined definition. The case was easily lost upon appeal because of it.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 27, 2014 11:25:24 GMT -5
Generally speaking, the only tag violation tickets I've seen or herd of involved a tag not being filled out, not filled out properly, or not being anywhere close to the deer.
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Post by 36fan on Oct 27, 2014 11:28:10 GMT -5
I checked in a deer a few years ago and the check-in station asked for the transport tag. I gave them the wet, muddy tag, and they asked me to fill out another one AFTER I had checked in the deer.
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Post by steve46511 on Oct 27, 2014 11:35:33 GMT -5
The dictionary definition is not a legal definition. Near the beginning of all statues is a definition section. For something to be legally enforceable, it has to be defined. The CO may issue someone a citation based upon his definition, but if challenged in court, it can be thrown out. I know of an instance recently in what I deal with where a lower judge pulled out a dictionary to get the definition of something instead of using the legally defined definition. The case was easily lost upon appeal because of it. All accurate........and one can only ask themselves "WHY one would want to risk the chance to have to go THROUGH all that"  I'll just attach the tag ASAP and remove ALL chances of being in the middle of unneeded BS. It's NOT a matter of "who is right or wrong". not to me. I just want to legally hunt, with the least amount of hassle and interruption as I can conjure up. So they will probably throw it out of court. Is having to go through it all and have it thrown out.....that a "win"? No. Winning is not having to deal with such. Just attach the tag and be done with it. |
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