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Post by trapperdave on Nov 14, 2014 10:21:54 GMT -5
now which to carry?  |
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 14, 2014 10:26:04 GMT -5
I'd carry the one with the scope because I can't see irons very well anymore!  |
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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 14, 2014 11:16:51 GMT -5
Neither, if you eat the heart like I do. If you leave the heart behind for the coyotes, flip a coin before each hunt.
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Post by art338wm on Aug 12, 2015 16:27:39 GMT -5
If there's even a slight chance of a longer range shot over 100yrds, I would undoubtedly hunt with the scoped ML, or if you have any vision issues requiring corrective prescription glasses as I do, definitely go with the scoped ML. I certainly could hunt with iron sights, but would never do so if I had a choice. Even if I get drawn for a ML Utah elk hunt I already have a 1x fixed ML scope for that glorious day.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Sept 7, 2015 21:56:23 GMT -5
now which to carry? TrapperDave- I see you use a muzzle loader with open sights. I have a CVA sidelock that has never been fired. I am contemplating taking it out this year. Any suggestions on using a sidelock? |
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 8, 2015 11:52:38 GMT -5
I've shot more than a few with a T/C Renegade and White Mtn Carbine, each with a peep sight. I don't know what you're looking for in the way of suggestions, but if your eyes are good enough to shoot with whatever sights you have, then go ahead and take it hunting.
With my 54 cal Renegade, I shot 435 gr Maxiballs over 100 gr loose pyrodex. With my 50 cal White Mtn Carbine, I shot 370 gr Maxiballs over 90 gr loose pyrodex. Not one deer complained, though I'm positive none of them liked it.
I'm guessing my longest shot was about 80 yds or so, which is good for most of the shot opportunities I seem to get. I didn't feel limited by carrying a sidelock until my eyes started to prefer a scope.
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 8, 2015 14:33:44 GMT -5
steer clear of the pellets on a side lock. Use loose powder. real black powder is best imo but pyrodex rs works good for me too.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Sept 8, 2015 16:16:04 GMT -5
I guess what I was wondering is what type of powder, projectile, effective range..... Here's what I'll be shooting. Not a great pic. sorry   |
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Sept 8, 2015 16:24:31 GMT -5
I've shot more than a few with a T/C Renegade and White Mtn Carbine, each with a peep sight. I don't know what you're looking for in the way of suggestions, but if your eyes are good enough to shoot with whatever sights you have, then go ahead and take it hunting. With my 54 cal Renegade, I shot 435 gr Maxiballs over 100 gr loose pyrodex. With my 50 cal White Mtn Carbine, I shot 370 gr Maxiballs over 90 gr loose pyrodex. Not one deer complained, though I'm positive none of them liked it. I'm guessing my longest shot was about 80 yds or so, which is good for most of the shot opportunities I seem to get. I didn't feel limited by carrying a sidelock until my eyes started to prefer a scope. Do you still use a sidelock w/scope? |
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Post by stevein on Sept 8, 2015 17:18:10 GMT -5
I guess what I was wondering is what type of powder, projectile, effective range..... Here's what I'll be shooting. Not a great pic. sorry It would be nice to know what twist the barrel has. That would help determine what would be best to shoot in it. 1-28 = sabot 1-48 = power belts, Maxi balls, round balls, 1-60 66 = round ball mostly. If the breech is a drum and nipple set up I really advise real 3Fg black powder due the small passages. Do you have the manuals? That would be a great place to start. |
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Sept 8, 2015 18:32:19 GMT -5
No manuals. I honestly can't even find much info on the gun. My uncle won it at a Ducks Unlimited banquet years ago and gave it to me. He had already pitched everything for it. Since it's a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation edition I have just had it on display in my home office. Tried looking up information on it and can't seem to find much online. Appears to be a "frontier" model.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 9, 2015 7:23:16 GMT -5
I've shot more than a few with a T/C Renegade and White Mtn Carbine, each with a peep sight. I don't know what you're looking for in the way of suggestions, but if your eyes are good enough to shoot with whatever sights you have, then go ahead and take it hunting. With my 54 cal Renegade, I shot 435 gr Maxiballs over 100 gr loose pyrodex. With my 50 cal White Mtn Carbine, I shot 370 gr Maxiballs over 90 gr loose pyrodex. Not one deer complained, though I'm positive none of them liked it. I'm guessing my longest shot was about 80 yds or so, which is good for most of the shot opportunities I seem to get. I didn't feel limited by carrying a sidelock until my eyes started to prefer a scope. Do you still use a sidelock w/scope? I considered putting a scope on my Renegade, but never did. About that time I saw Cabela's running a sale on the Remington (Traditions) Genesis. Can't recall exactly, but it was cheap, so I bought one and put a scope on it. I've shot 5-6 deer with it. All I've ever shot in it is 350 gr FPB over 100 gr loose pyrodex. I'll be trying Blackhorn 209 powder this year. |
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 9, 2015 7:46:32 GMT -5
Fast twist guns are typically better shooting conicals and sabots. Slow twist guns are typically better round ball shooters. Many sidelocks were made with a "compromise" twist of 1:48", to be able to shoot conicals and roundballs with acceptable accuracy.
To figure out the twist, put the cleaning jag on the ramrod, put a patch on the jag (a snug fit, but not real tight) and push it all the way down the barrel. You'll notice the rod turns as it goes down the bore.
Now, mark the exposed end your rod somehow, flush with the muzzle. just a "dot" is needed. You want it centered on an easy reference like the front sight. Pull the rod out slowly, allowing it to turn with the rifling. If your dot lines up with your front sight before the rod is fully out of the barrel, mark the rod again at the muzzle. Measure between the marks on the rod and that is your twist rate. Obviously this would be one twist in some number of inches less than your barrel length.
My guess is your gun is a typical sidelock (either 1:48 or 1:60ish) and this method will NOT work. That is, you won't see the rod mark line up with the reference before the rod is out of the barrel. Therefore, mark the rod the second time when the rod mark is opposite (180 degrees) from the reference. Measure between the rod marks, double the result and that is your twist rate. This will work for 1:48 if your barrel is at least 24 inches (looks to be from the photo).
If you have a slow twist like 1:60 and a barrel less than 30", you'll need to devise a slighlty different method but the idea is the same. And you'll obviously know you have a round ball gun. Knowing the EXACT twist is not too important.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 9, 2015 8:01:44 GMT -5
As far as loads go, I would use Pyrodex RS loose powder. I've NEVER had any issues with ignition, and I beleive it is more consistent than true black powder (read somewhere that it was). Any way, without the manual, and assuming the gun is 50 cal, don't exceed 100 gr of powder.
Your bullet choice is greatly simplified if your gun has a slow twist. Most of your load work will involve the same roundball with different patches and lubes. There's quite a science to reading the fired patches to determine if you've got the right combo.
If you have a 1:48 or slightly faster, I'd go with a REAL (rifling engraved at loading) style lead conical, such as a T/C Maxiball.
In the unlikley event you have a fast twist, like 1;30 or faster, you may do best with a sabot/bullet combo.
Your effective range on deer will really be the limit of your accuracy, out to a max of 150 yds or so.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Sept 9, 2015 9:56:58 GMT -5
It has a 1:48 twist. Think I'll go with the maxiball for sure. Little iffy about the wooden ram rod. But going to use it anyhow. Thanks for all the info guys!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 9, 2015 10:41:37 GMT -5
I don't know much about muzzleloaders, just getting started really. But I shot a ton of different loads through my 1:48 twist CVA just this past weekend.
I really like the Hornady Great Plains bullet, price is good compared to most others, but pretty difficult to get started in my gun. Mine shot these, Hornady FPB, and 348 gr Powerbelts all equally well at 50 yards using a 100 gr equivalent of black powder. Also shoots patched roundball well.
I would guess our rifles would be pretty similar..
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 9, 2015 10:44:28 GMT -5
It has a 1:48 twist. Think I'll go with the maxiball for sure. Little iffy about the wooden ram rod. But going to use it anyhow. Thanks for all the info guys! I broke mine pretty quick.. knucklehead mistake trying to get a bullet started. The CVA range rods can be easily cut to your barrel length and fit in place of the original. |
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 9, 2015 11:24:37 GMT -5
It has a 1:48 twist. Think I'll go with the maxiball for sure. Little iffy about the wooden ram rod. But going to use it anyhow. Thanks for all the info guys! So called "unbreakable" ramrods can be found through on-line sources. I actually like the ramrod to be on the long side, so it sticks out past the muzzle by an inch or so. Something to consider if ordering on-line. |
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