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Post by GS1 on Dec 6, 2014 17:31:59 GMT -5
there will always be "honey holes" that aren't affected by our pathetic management (see swilk comment above). DNR is creating a "have and have not" environment in this state, that much is obvious. And, DNR doesn't care because they know the money will still pour in from the poor schmoes that aren't seeing hardly any deer if at all because they will always buy a license just to have a poor experience. Good times! I'd say hunters are creating the "have and have not" environment. They're the ones that can't keep their fingers off the trigger.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 6, 2014 17:42:54 GMT -5
there will always be "honey holes" that aren't affected by our pathetic management (see swilk comment above). DNR is creating a "have and have not" environment in this state, that much is obvious. And, DNR doesn't care because they know the money will still pour in from the poor schmoes that aren't seeing hardly any deer if at all because they will always buy a license just to have a poor experience. Good times! I'd say hunters are creating the "have and have not" environment. They're the ones that can't keep their fingers off the trigger. ^^^^ THIS We set our own limits...
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Post by jjas on Dec 6, 2014 18:07:31 GMT -5
I'd say hunters are creating the "have and have not" environment. They're the ones that can't keep their fingers off the trigger. ^^^^ THIS We set our own limits... Yep......
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Post by deerman on Dec 7, 2014 0:27:36 GMT -5
^^^^ THIS We set our own limits... Yep...... History has shown that humans cannot self regulate. Given the opportunity we will overindulge.
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Post by drs on Dec 7, 2014 5:43:52 GMT -5
On the subject of so-called "honey holes"; anyone with property large enough to hunt, can develop their own honey holes. This can be quite practicality accomplished by first determining if your property is actually suitable for supporting Deer. If Deer are presently living on or around your property then you need to find out what varieties of vegetation besides acorns, they are browsing on. This is known as a "browse survey" of which you want to encourage growth of these natural plants. Knowing what plant material Deer prefer makes management of Deer easier, but adding some food plots insures that Deer numbers will grow in time. Developing food plots need not be elaborate but you will need to know what type plants/crops will grow in your soil, so a soil test will be needed to find out what your soil has or needs. These food plots can also be made within small clearing inside the woods by removing excessive non-useful vegetation growth which has no food value for Deer. Placing mineral blocks (the brown colored type) will supply extra minerals which will help in antler development and support general health of Deer. Now, if your hunting property has open fields that aren't being used for crop production, due to various reasons, should be stripped mowed with strips of 15 to 30 feet wide, and these strips should be alternated every three years. This strip mowing provides tender brows and escape/bedding cover for Deer and other wildlife species. There should also be a source of water in the area for all other species of wildlife. ~ So there you have it~ Wildlife Management/Biology -101, in a brief discussion.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 7, 2014 6:22:00 GMT -5
On the subject of so-called "honey holes"; anyone with property large enough to hunt, can develop their own honey holes. This can be quite practicality accomplished by first determining if your property is actually suitable for supporting Deer. If Deer are presently living on or around your property then you need to find out what varieties of vegetation besides acorns, they are browsing on. This is known as a "browse survey" of which you want to encourage growth of these natural plants. Knowing what plant material Deer prefer makes management of Deer easier, but adding some food plots insures that Deer numbers will grow in time. Developing food plots need not be elaborate but you will need to know what type plants/crops will grow in your soil, so a soil test will be needed to find out what your soil has or needs. These food plots can also be made within small clearing inside the woods by removing excessive non-useful vegetation growth which has no food value for Deer. Placing mineral blocks (the brown colored type) will supply extra minerals which will help in antler development and support general health of Deer. Now, if your hunting property has open fields that aren't being used for crop production, due to various reasons, should be stripped mowed with strips of 15 to 30 feet wide, and these strips should be alternated every three years. This strip mowing provides tender brows and escape/bedding cover for Deer and other wildlife species. There should also be a source of water in the area for all other species of wildlife. ~ So there you have it~ Wildlife Management/Biology -101, in a brief discussion. I've done all those things and then some...my hunting land has came a long ways over 25 years.I might add planting some fruit trees....( apple, persimmon,crabapple etc.) . Not to hijack the subject....BUT.....Sadly over the past several years every dang person on the Universe thinks they need 3 to 4 dogs per household, AND......" they're farm dogs", " so you don;t tie/pen them up"....as my one neighbor ladies said...lol...so what i worked 25 years creating ( blood, sweat ,tears and lots of money), is being ruined for future hunting by irresponsible pet owners. So you take all this work you mentioned above, create the perfect hunting land, and dogs running the woods day in and day out has finally kept all deer from bedding on the property, now the only deer i see are passing through. The Big Mature bucks won;t move until darkness. So the moral to the story is.....IF you buy land make sure you talk to neighbors before purchasing and get a feel for their intelligence level....some are dumber than a box of hammers and can't reasoned with.. I actually had the new neighbor lady a few years ago, cross my fence , walk down to the creek and remove one of my son's coon bucket trap set's. When the trap went missing we knocked on the her door, " did you take a trap that was down on our property by the creek"?......"UUUHHH....yes I was afraid my cat might get caught in it"..." so you trespassed on my property, illegally removed a legally set coon trap, took it home to your house and never said anything about taking it to me?"......." Yeah".....So i had to explain to her what trespassing is, and how she could be arrested for tampering with a trap that was legally set....it's unreal how stupid people are these days...There are times when i just wanna say forget it, quit hunting, it's a lost cause.
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Post by drs on Dec 7, 2014 6:41:40 GMT -5
I guess I was lucky in that my neighbors are few and far between. Some have dogs but they ALL keep them contained on their property, so this is a non-issue for me. NOW, when my Brother & I moved down here in Central Kentucky, we had some feral Dogs or ones that were dumped into our area. We shot these which amounted to around five dogs, and since then we've had no problems with "free roaming" dogs. This free roaming dog problem is more of a problem when there are several neighbors living too close together, and have dogs letting them roam free on the land of their neighbors. I'd warn them about their free roaming dogs and advise them to keep their dogs on THEIR property. Dogs can really ruin an area for hunting.
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Post by chubwub on Dec 7, 2014 7:45:05 GMT -5
Oh free roaming dogs are the worst as we all discussed in another post, especially if you are trying to trap coyotes.
My fiance says a while back when he had a roaming dog problem, he warned the neighbors that he and a bunch of other guys with land trapped coyotes year round (even though he didn't) and told them to be careful because he would sure hate for a dog to get tangled up in a snare and die or be caught in a foothold and savaged by a coyote. They quit turning the farm dogs loose after that.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 7, 2014 7:51:41 GMT -5
Oh free roaming dogs are the worst as we all discussed in another post, especially if you are trying to trap coyotes. My fiance says a while back when he had a roaming dog problem, he warned the neighbors that he and a bunch of other guys with land trapped coyotes year round (even though he didn't) and told them to be careful because he would sure hate for a dog to get tangled up in a snare and die or be caught in a foothold and savaged by a coyote. They quit turning the farm dogs loose after that. hahaha....I tired that...I actually trap coyotes and fox...I've caught their dogs...released them and told them, I've called the Sheriff and he ahs visited them...no one seems to take it seriously ...BUT if.....heaven forbid that poor dog doesn't come home one day....they'll be very involved at that point...I started buying cans of bright Orange and Green spray paint....when I catch a dog I use the entire can on them and send them on their way back home...oh and a little skunk essence helps too...maybe they'll get tired of fido coming home bright green and stinking to high heaven...lol
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Dec 7, 2014 8:33:19 GMT -5
History has shown that humans cannot self regulate. Given the opportunity we will overindulge. Exactly^^^^^^^....without regs, some will just continue to take All they can get.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 8, 2014 5:41:40 GMT -5
History has shown that humans cannot self regulate. Given the opportunity we will overindulge. Exactly^^^^^^^....without regs, some will just continue to take All they can get. It's the American way..ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
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Post by bartiks on Dec 19, 2014 5:38:49 GMT -5
IMO I really think the herd is down in my neck of the woods. Recently got permission to hunt another 80 acres of property where I know for a fact that only 1 other person hunts it and he is co-owner. Set up my camera for 2 weeks in a spot where it goes from water, to field to thick can't see 5 yards in front of you with only 2 pictures and they are not repeats I believe they were just passing thru. I've thought outside the box so many times I think the corners are starting to get rounded on me.
I've tried scounting the deep dark areas as well as the wide open fields with 2 little trees along a ditch line and have found nothing. I moved my camera to a new spot around a week ago and hopefully this one will bare a little fruit for me but if it goes par for the course I'm not holding my breath. With the property that I normally hunt and the surrounding area which totals up to around 350 +/- acres since the beginning of archery I know of only 5 deer being harvested. I hope we have not not hit the tipping point and are on the downward slide back to when deer were first introduced. Like I said IMO. God Bless and Merry Christmas
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Post by parrothead on Dec 19, 2014 6:55:46 GMT -5
I am hopen the are. I have the next 17 days off from school. So 17, 12 hours sets coming up and cant wait. Hunting the Refuge by my house for prob. first 10 days. Last year I saw 116 deer in 10 days in there. Then back to Jefferson/Switzerland Co.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2014 8:45:26 GMT -5
Movement has slowed in certain spots...but in all seriousness I've never been a believer in the idea deer just simply stop moving. They by nature can't do this....will they only move in areas they've felt pressure at night, duh...that's called survival. However, pockets of thick woods, small bedding areas can teem with deer this time of year and not over hunting certain spots can mean some serious honey holes for this time of year.
I concur with EVERYONE stating it is hunters fault not the states. Steady trigger finger goes a long long way to making sure the herd in your area is healthy and strong in number but not over-abundant either. The problem today is many landowners view neighboring hunters as enemies not friends so the whole let's work together at least in harvests doesn't happen enough.
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Post by deerhunter23 on Dec 19, 2014 8:47:35 GMT -5
Saw 6 doe yesterday..2 groups of 3. The first group came out at 3:18 in the afternoon..the next group 3:26. They also entered the field from different areas so they werent together. I think these colder temps. May get them back on their feet in daylight. Id almost guarantee those same 6 doe if not more deer will be back in the same field at the sametime today..to bad i have a 3 year old at home with pneumonia!! Been a long week in this household! From the stomach flu monday and tuesday to my little one waking up at 3 a.m covered in blood from her nose and mouth. Rush to the e.r. which is when we found the pneumonia! The blood was from coughing so hard it busted a vessel. So dad is hanging out with his little buddy, pumping steroids, tamiflu, antibiotics, and a breathing treatment to get her better! Good luck to all out!!
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Post by bartiks on Dec 19, 2014 20:03:01 GMT -5
Hope he gets feeling better, it's definately looking like the flu is making it's way around here. Who knows maybe you will have a good christmas present. God Bless
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Post by saltydog on Dec 25, 2014 11:00:43 GMT -5
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