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Post by hornzilla on Nov 23, 2014 19:11:53 GMT -5
Not what I learned when I took a dog killer to court. Was your dog on property where it was not permitted to be? If so, why? My dog was treed on a property line. On a tree that had the old fence wire growing in it. I own on 2 sides of the other property. Had permission to hunt the third side. There wasn't a single tree on his property. He walked back to the fence where our dogs were treed. Shot 1 dog in the head with a shotgun. Killing her. The second dog ran to us before he could reload. He then dragged her to his side yard. Placed her in a burn barrel. Poured gas on her and set her a fire. She might have been on his side. She might not have. If she was it was by 2 feet. She was a tree dog. She was on the tree. His remarks to the judge was. "She was making noise and I didn't like it". Then said "I never have liked coon hunters". Then to push the judge over the edge "it's my property and I can do what I want". Well the judge thought mighty different. Like I said he wrote a check. Did probation. Has a criminal record.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 23, 2014 19:12:43 GMT -5
Yes that story describes the situation and an account of what transpired. That doesn't make the shooter guilty, I'd say he was justified. They'd have a hard time convicting anyone in that circumstance in the story. More... Man arrested for shooting dog By Wade Coggeshall DANVILLE — Charges have been filed against a resident here for the shooting and subsequent death of a trained hunting dog. John J. “Jay” Faubion, 64, of 3821 N. C.R. 400 E., was arrested and charged with a class D felony for killing a domestic animal and two class A misdemeanors for cruelty to an animal. A class D felony in Indiana carries a minimum sentence of six months in prison. Hendricks County sheriff’s deputies and Jeffrey Wells, conservation officer with the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, were dispatched to the Faubion residence on the evening of Sept. 23 on a report of a dog shooting. According to the probable cause affidavit, Brad Hall told investigators that he and his father, Albert, had just begun to run their treeing walker coonhounds near the intersection of County Roads 400 East and 400 North when the dogs took off toward the south. The dogs were wearing Global Positioning System devices. The Halls used those to track them to the Faubion residence. Investigators say Faubion told them he heard what sounded to him like a dogfight outside his home at the time. He told officials he went outside and saw his dog on its back with three unknown dogs attacking it. Faubion then told officials he yelled to separate the dogs and was able to get his dog inside the house. No injuries were reported on Faubion’s dog. The report then states that Faubion came back outside with a handgun and fired a shot into the air when one of the dogs charged him. That supposedly prompted the dogs to run south through the open gate of a fenced enclosure used as a dog pen. Officials say Faubion, realizing the enclosure had openings under the fence, decided to enter the pen to further scare off the dogs, fearing they could harm his wife if he left them. The report states that Faubion entered the pen and fired another shot into the air to scare the dogs. He told police he then shot two more rounds directly at the dogs when they charged at him. One of the coonhounds, Banjo, was shot between the eyes. It was later euthanized. The other dog, Remus, suffered a graze wound on the back of its neck that had to be sutured. In the affidavit Wells said he questioned Faubion as to why he would enter the pen with the dogs when he had previously been concerned for his safety. Also Wells said he asked him why he stood in the path of the open gate while he was supposedly trying to get the dogs off his property. For both Faubion reportedly answered that in hindsight it may not have been the best way to handle the situation. Treeing walker coonhounds are known for being good trackers of wild game. Because raccoons are nocturnal, coon hunting generally occurs at night. Hall said he uses GPS collars on his dogs to keep track of them, and owners of such coonhounds are required by law to wear hats with headlights when hunting. Hall told investigators Banjo had a meek nature, had extensive training around humans and other dogs, and had never displayed any aggressive behavior. Banjo was set to compete in the Pro Kennel Club’s World Hunt in October at Salem, Ill. Ironically, Hall is director of the Hoosier Tree Dog Alliance, which started a campaign called “Don’t Shoot My Dog,” meant to educate the public on what hunting dogs do. “I never would’ve dreamed I’d have to use what we’re training for myself,” Hall said. “I want this tragedy to be a positive, to be an education out of a bad situation.”
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2014 20:16:05 GMT -5
Comical to read some response's. "Guy's pay large amount's of money to hunt", so that give's them the right to shoot someone's dog?? In all likely hood a lot of you posting don't even own the land you hunt on. (I do) and I would never shoot someones dog and don't think much of someone who would. More ammo for the anti-hunter's.
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 20:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by jdaily on Nov 23, 2014 20:16:56 GMT -5
The problem I have with these dogs is, this is not the first time this has happened. Second, they came back to the woods I was in and ran around for a while and then moved west. I sat for another hr and heard this dog yelp and run the property he no permission to be on. I guess, to some on here it's just okay, but , when I go water foul hunting, I can't just send my dog onto neighboring property to retrieve a bird, so why is it okay for these dogs to just run? And who's to say, those dogs weren't set loose to harrass deer hunters? They did have collars, but obviously, no one was hunting with them, because they didn't have permission to hunt the farm I'm on. I guess, next time, I'll try and catch them and haul them to animal control 3 counties over.
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Post by hunthard4 on Nov 23, 2014 20:21:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't think much of a guy that let's his dogs run loose no matter how far over the line the dogs get.
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2014 20:24:52 GMT -5
I think possibly contacting a few neighbor's and trying to locate the owner's to let them know what's going on would be my first course of action? Calling animal control would be my 2nd if it is a re-occuring issue.
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 20:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by hornzilla on Nov 23, 2014 20:28:52 GMT -5
Comical to read some response's. "Guy's pay large amount's of money to hunt", so that give's them the right to shoot someone's dog?? In all likely hood a lot of you posting don't even own the land you hunt on. (I do) and I would never shoot someones dog and don't think much of someone who would. More ammo for the anti-hunter's. . I agree 100 percent. I also own my ground.
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2014 20:31:33 GMT -5
I think in most case's the owner's arn't aware that their pet's are even a problem. I have found that once notified there's a problem, most take care of it.
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Post by jdaily on Nov 23, 2014 20:33:03 GMT -5
I think possibly contacting a few neighbor's and trying to locate the owner's to let them know what's going on would be my first course of action? Calling animal control would be my 2nd if it is a re-occuring issue. Yah! Like I have extra time to just go track down the owner of some dogs. I asked the farmer and his son, who both have several dogs fenced or chained up and they have no clue who's dogs they are.. Why should I be inconvenienced because some doesn't give a crap about their dogs?
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 20:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Nov 23, 2014 20:34:57 GMT -5
I think in most case's the owner's arn't aware that their pet's are even a problem. I have found that once notified there's a problem, most take care of it. ^^^^^^ this I agree with
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Post by jdaily on Nov 23, 2014 20:41:48 GMT -5
I think in most case's the owner's arn't aware that their pet's are even a problem. I have found that once notified there's a problem, most take care of it. ^^^^^^ this I agree with So, what your saying is, it's okay to just let your pet roam as they may? That's being a responsible pet owner. I bet you think it's okay to just let your dog bark all day and night too. RESPECT thy neighbor!
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2014 20:44:05 GMT -5
I get inconvenienced daily, but I don't shoot everything or everyone that is the cause. LOL Look if it's a re-occurring thing , do what you gotta do i suppose. I personally would try to resolve peacefully before I go shooting someone's pet is all i am saying.
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Post by GS1 on Nov 23, 2014 20:45:33 GMT -5
I just wish that one time some of these guys that have no problems with letting dogs ruin their hunts would send me their hunting location. I have several that I would make the drive to give you to make your ruined hunt more enjoyable.
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 20:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by jdaily on Nov 23, 2014 20:48:21 GMT -5
I get inconvenienced daily, but I don't shoot everything or everyone that is the cause. LOL Look if it's a re-occurring thing , do what you gotta do i suppose. I personally would try to resolve peacefully before I go shooting someone's pet is all i am saying. Have you ever shot a coyote?
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Post by greghopper on Nov 23, 2014 20:52:13 GMT -5
I get inconvenienced daily, but I don't shoot everything or everyone that is the cause. LOL Look if it's a re-occurring thing , do what you gotta do i suppose. I personally would try to resolve peacefully before I go shooting someone's pet is all i am saying. Have you ever shot a coyote? Huhhh.....
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Post by salt on Nov 23, 2014 20:53:13 GMT -5
Our family pet is a Brittany Spaniel. I live in the country and own about 5 acres. My dog is not chained nor do we have a fence around our property. Bella is a part of our family. She is very much loved by all of us. Somehow, she even ended up sleeping at the foot of my bed. She is man's best friend. Not only for me but also both of my kids. If you have ever been around a hunting dog (bird dog) you will know that there are times that the nose is more powerful than any command or electric shock. We do our very best to make sure she stays home. There have been a few times where she trailed a turkey or a rabbit over to my neighbors. I am not making excuses for a dog running deer. I don't think it is right and have had hunts ruined by dogs. I sure don't get down and throw a bone to them. But....
Now tell me... If you and your best friend were at a bar and someone punched him in the mouth what would you do? If he was shot what would you do? All I am going to say is you better watch who's best friend you shoot. Some dogs don't belong to anyone and aren't a part of anyone's family. Others are very much a part of a family and loved by kids and adults. Things could go south real quick.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 23, 2014 20:57:13 GMT -5
I'll give hornzilla some leniency, as he was legitimately just trying to hunt with his. But, if you are one who just lets their mutt run free all over the countryside day and night with no regard for your neighbors, then you shouldn't go crying when your "beloved" pet doesn't come home. If you really cared about it, it would be safe at home with you.
I read sob stories all the time on Facebook and in the newspaper's letters to the editor where some dog owner is crying about how someone ran over their dog in the road and how it is the driver's fault. Keep your dog in your own yard and it wouldn't get hit. Geez, it isn't rocket science. I have pet cats that stay in the house 100% of the time. If I were to let them outside and something happened to them, it is my own darned fault.
EDIT: Salt, I was typing this as you posted. This is in no way directed at you personally.
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Post by swilk on Nov 23, 2014 20:57:24 GMT -5
Instead of a bar a more comparable analogy might be your friend broke into another guys house and when the owner found him he punched him in the mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:00:27 GMT -5
Lets take hunting out of the equation....People who love their pets should keep them chained, or fenced in. It's far too easy for them to get hit by vehicles when they run loose.
Obviously, sometimes pets get loose despite our best efforts, but to let them roam free is dangerous to the pets.
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 21:03:35 GMT -5
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Post by jdaily on Nov 23, 2014 21:03:35 GMT -5
Our family pet is a Brittany Spaniel. I live in the country and own about 5 acres. My dog is not chained nor do we have a fence around our property. Bella is a part of our family. She is very much loved by all of us. Somehow, she even ended up sleeping at the foot of my bed. She is man's best friend. Not only for me but also both of my kids. If you have ever been around a hunting dog (bird dog) you will know that there are times that the nose is more powerful than any command or electric shock. We do our very best to make sure she stays home. There have been a few times where she trailed a turkey or a rabbit over to my neighbors. I am not making excuses for a dog running deer. I don't think it is right and have had hunts ruined by dogs. I sure don't get down and throw a bone to them. But.... Now tell me... If you and your best friend were at a bar and someone punched him in the mouth what would you do? If he was shot what would you do? All I am going to say is you better watch who's best friend you shoot. Some dogs don't belong to anyone and aren't a part of anyone's family. Others are very much a part of a family and loved by kids and adults. Things could go south real quick. I guess I was just raised to respect others! My dogs don't run loose, if they ever do bark, I put a stop to it immediately.
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