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Post by firstwd on Nov 23, 2014 21:43:23 GMT -5
Shooting a dog is never a good idea. Heck, we hunters lose deer all the time and a dog is such a smaller target. Plus shooting a dog requires a human to have seen said dog and made a conscience decision to shoot it, and there is just too much legal mess to navigate. The only dog problem we have is the coon hunters that never seem to figure out just where one property ends and the other begins in the woods, but we bite our tongues on that since that neighbor lets us prospect his farm.
We do have quite a coyote problem these days that I think is due to the 5 cattle farms within a 3 mile radius of us. We run off-set jaw foothold traps when the neighbors are running their high dollar coon dogs, but during the off season we run snares. Maybe it's the coon hunters, but we just don't have dogs running around the farm.
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Post by shouldernuke on Nov 23, 2014 21:50:05 GMT -5
Was your dog on property where it was not permitted to be? If so, why? My dog was treed on a property line. On a tree that had the old fence wire growing in it. I own on 2 sides of the other property. Had permission to hunt the third side. There wasn't a single tree on his property. He walked back to the fence where our dogs were treed. Shot 1 dog in the head with a shotgun. Killing her. The second dog ran to us before he could reload. He then dragged her to his side yard. Placed her in a burn barrel. Poured gas on her and set her a fire. She might have been on his side. She might not have. If she was it was by 2 feet. She was a tree dog. She was on the tree. His remarks to the judge was. "She was making noise and I didn't like it". Then said "I never have liked coon hunters". Then to push the judge over the edge "it's my property and I can do what I want". Well the judge thought mighty different. Like I said he wrote a check. Did probation. Has a criminal record. Rarely are these sort of internet claims more than a bluff my condolances on teh loss of your coon hound .FYI as stated we are not talking about this sort of thing here .I think what every one here is in deep conversation over is a different type of dog / owner problem all together .Irresponsble pet owners are square to blame for almost all dog.cat landowner ,human /pet and hunetr dog issues . You sir are a rare person on the net most/many make up stories just to stand on the point .
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Post by salt on Nov 23, 2014 22:02:07 GMT -5
Lets take hunting out of the equation....People who love their pets should keep them chained, or fenced in. It's far too easy for them to get hit by vehicles when they run loose. Obviously, sometimes pets get loose despite our best efforts, but to let them roam free is dangerous to the pets. I think there is a big difference between getting loose and running free. You telling me to keep my dog on a chain on my property is like me telling you to tell your kids to keep their ball out of my yard. I have had a lot of good reads from you on this site. But, it is probably a good thing we aren't neighbors!
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Post by salt on Nov 23, 2014 22:06:59 GMT -5
Our family pet is a Brittany Spaniel. I live in the country and own about 5 acres. My dog is not chained nor do we have a fence around our property. Bella is a part of our family. She is very much loved by all of us. Somehow, she even ended up sleeping at the foot of my bed. She is man's best friend. Not only for me but also both of my kids. If you have ever been around a hunting dog (bird dog) you will know that there are times that the nose is more powerful than any command or electric shock. We do our very best to make sure she stays home. There have been a few times where she trailed a turkey or a rabbit over to my neighbors. I am not making excuses for a dog running deer. I don't think it is right and have had hunts ruined by dogs. I sure don't get down and throw a bone to them. But.... Now tell me... If you and your best friend were at a bar and someone punched him in the mouth what would you do? If he was shot what would you do? All I am going to say is you better watch who's best friend you shoot. Some dogs don't belong to anyone and aren't a part of anyone's family. Others are very much a part of a family and loved by kids and adults. Things could go south real quick. I guess I was just raised to respect others! My dogs don't run loose, if they ever do bark, I put a stop to it immediately. Trust me. In no way am I saying someone should just let their dog, cat, or pet frog run free. I just don't believe in shooting something just to kill. The animal is dead if it is putting me or my family in danger. Otherwise it's probably going to roam on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 22:09:00 GMT -5
Have you ever had a dog hit by a car? I have. It's not pretty and not fun. I have never shot a dog and don't plan to do so, but I have hit a few with cars and it sucks. It not only sucks for the dog (of course) and dog's owner, but it is traumatic for the driver of the vehicle as well. If you train your dogs to stay off the road, you probably don't have a lot to worry about, but as you said, sometimes a dog's nose supersedes it's training. I would forever be worried about my dog if it ran loose. Too many traumatic experiences I guess.
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 22:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Nov 23, 2014 22:13:02 GMT -5
So, what your saying is, it's okay to just let your pet roam as they may? That's being a responsible pet owner. I bet you think it's okay to just let your dog bark all day and night too. RESPECT thy neighbor! If this is to me my dog is inside every night and only barks during the day when someone pulls up, a neighbor dog barks or comes on property Or feral cats she will run off too. She doesn't run deer. I've never had a dog ruin a hunt. But can understand frustrations about such all I have to say about it is be smart about whose dog you pull the trigger on for one it's illegal two it's a quick way to lose landowner permissions. If you shoot a truly feral dog more power to ya but in my neck of the woods the coyotes have all but taken care of the roaming pack of dogs...
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Post by windingwinds on Nov 23, 2014 22:16:27 GMT -5
Dogs don't belong in the woods or any property without a responsible human. I find it ironic that so many people complain about numbers of small game but refuse or are lax about controlling both their cats and dogs. Dogs and cats are not native wildlife and are hard on small game (turkeys, quail, pheasants, ducks, rabbits, etc). Happily I have not recently had trouble with dogs, it's stressful when we do. We have livestock to protect and one pony if bothered who will attack dogs. As long as they leave when I yell the dogs live. And if obviously lost I call owner (there are smart owners that place their phone number on the collar). Oh and if I hit your dog while driving, I will make sure your information is on the police report, you are responsible for any auto damage.
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D@mn dogs!
Nov 23, 2014 22:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by hornzilla on Nov 23, 2014 22:16:56 GMT -5
My dog was treed on a property line. On a tree that had the old fence wire growing in it. I own on 2 sides of the other property. Had permission to hunt the third side. There wasn't a single tree on his property. He walked back to the fence where our dogs were treed. Shot 1 dog in the head with a shotgun. Killing her. The second dog ran to us before he could reload. He then dragged her to his side yard. Placed her in a burn barrel. Poured gas on her and set her a fire. She might have been on his side. She might not have. If she was it was by 2 feet. She was a tree dog. She was on the tree. His remarks to the judge was. "She was making noise and I didn't like it". Then said "I never have liked coon hunters". Then to push the judge over the edge "it's my property and I can do what I want". Well the judge thought mighty different. Like I said he wrote a check. Did probation. Has a criminal record. Rarely are these sort of internet claims more than a bluff my condolances on teh loss of your coon hound .FYI as stated we are not talking about this sort of thing here .I think what every one here is in deep conversation over is a different type of dog / owner problem all together .Irresponsble pet owners are square to blame for almost all dog.cat landowner ,human /pet and hunetr dog issues . You sir are a rare person on the net most/many make up stories just to stand on the point . I never tried to bluff anyone. I never tried to come across as anything. All I was doing was giving my 2 cents worth. This was just a very bad experience that I have been through. If you look back at my first post I said this thread would get ugly. I have seen this before. And I still believe in my heart. If someone just shoots every dog they see run across there property, hunting ground or lease. Isn't a hunter at all. There just a shooter or a dog killer. I have said my peace. I have told everyone what can happen. Just my 2 cents worth. Take it for what it's worth. I have never regretted what I did by pushing my case as far as the law allowed. I would do it again tomorrow if needed. I'm done with this.
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Post by salt on Nov 23, 2014 22:18:34 GMT -5
Yes I have Met. I had a chocolate lab whose collar went dead one morning and he got hit on the highway 1 1/2 miles away. Somehow he survived. It wasn't a good thing. Not good for my vet bill and not good for the vehicle that hit him. You can chain a dog and the chain can break. You can fence your yard and there could be a hole. You can use the underground electric fence and it can fail. The point is that not every dog owner is a lazy hill jack. Some care about their pets as if they are family and one should consider that when deciding if they should pull the trigger.
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D@mn dogs!
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Post by freedomhunter on Nov 23, 2014 22:27:13 GMT -5
It is just irresponsible pet owners not my problem I usually give one chance if it looks tame to me then not so much after I have made an effort to contact the idiot owner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 22:28:42 GMT -5
Yes I have Met. I had a chocolate lab whose collar went dead one morning and he got hit on the highway 1 1/2 miles away. Somehow he survived. It wasn't a good thing. Not good for my vet bill and not good for the vehicle that hit him. You can chain a dog and the chain can break. You can fence your yard and there could be a hole. You can use the underground electric fence and it can fail. The point is that not every dog owner is a lazy hill jack. Some care about their pets as if they are family and one should consider that when deciding if they should pull the trigger. Agreed
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Post by salt on Nov 23, 2014 22:31:42 GMT -5
Yes I have Met. I had a chocolate lab whose collar went dead one morning and he got hit on the highway 1 1/2 miles away. Somehow he survived. It wasn't a good thing. Not good for my vet bill and not good for the vehicle that hit him. You can chain a dog and the chain can break. You can fence your yard and there could be a hole. You can use the underground electric fence and it can fail. The point is that not every dog owner is a lazy hill jack. Some care about their pets as if they are family and one should consider that when deciding if they should pull the trigger. Agreed Do you know what I love best about my dog? Do you know what happened the last time she talked back at me??? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 22:36:01 GMT -5
Hornzilla,
I read Shouldernuke's last post (that you quoted) as being in support of you. I think he was saying that he see's you had a legitimate case.
I think he was saying a lot of people make up stories online to build their case but that you were not one of those.
Sometimes our meaning doesn't come through on these posts as we intend.
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Post by hunthard4 on Nov 23, 2014 22:38:07 GMT -5
Salt, your dog talks? Lol
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Post by salt on Nov 23, 2014 22:42:43 GMT -5
Curtis, nope she never does. But, my dang 12 year old son talks back all the darn time!
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Post by hunthard4 on Nov 23, 2014 22:46:07 GMT -5
Haha. My parents would probably say the same thing about me and my brothers when were that age.
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Post by practicalsportsman on Nov 24, 2014 3:33:31 GMT -5
jdaily, have you ever read the hunting and trapping guide I seem to remember that rabbit season started on the 1st, by now is usually when most rabbit hunters start running dogs, I used to with a guy that lived in Rochester until some jerk shot both his beagles and the sad thing was his 9 year old granddaughter was with us when it happened. She hasn't hunted since, the guy had the book thrown at him, the way the judge and prosecutor saw it the dogs don't understand property lines. We had permission to hunt the area, the guy the shot the dogs had permission for a property next to the one he was in. For shooting those two beagle the guy lost his house, job, and served 5 years in prison plus got 10 years of probation all for shooting dogs. Beside as my grandpa would say use your head beside as a hat rack.
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Post by ridgerunner on Nov 24, 2014 5:35:37 GMT -5
Our family pet is a Brittany Spaniel. I live in the country and own about 5 acres. My dog is not chained nor do we have a fence around our property. Bella is a part of our family. She is very much loved by all of us. Somehow, she even ended up sleeping at the foot of my bed. She is man's best friend. Not only for me but also both of my kids. If you have ever been around a hunting dog (bird dog) you will know that there are times that the nose is more powerful than any command or electric shock. We do our very best to make sure she stays home. There have been a few times where she trailed a turkey or a rabbit over to my neighbors. I am not making excuses for a dog running deer. I don't think it is right and have had hunts ruined by dogs. I sure don't get down and throw a bone to them. But.... Now tell me... If you and your best friend were at a bar and someone punched him in the mouth what would you do? If he was shot what would you do? All I am going to say is you better watch who's best friend you shoot. Some dogs don't belong to anyone and aren't a part of anyone's family. Others are very much a part of a family and loved by kids and adults. Things could go south real quick. I'd tell my friend to stay out of the bar if he keeps getting punched in the mouth. If you guys love these pets soo much why do you let them run free...? These liberal response's and no personal accountability makes me sick..How is it the landowner's problem when your dog is trespassing. I'm not advocating shooting the dogs, but we have a serious problem with irresponsible dog owners...then their dog get hurt, or worse turns up " missing" and they wanna whine and cry about it...Do you let your kids play in the highway, or interstate? If you did and they got injured,or killed, would it be someone's else's fault then? I don't understand the logic.
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Post by duff on Nov 24, 2014 5:45:31 GMT -5
I have never shot a dog...but if a pet owner can't control their pet they can expect bad things happen to it. Hit by a car, attacked by coyotes, shot or adopted by another family. Pretty sad our court system has to be involved in these type of cases but they deal with it all the time.
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Post by drs on Nov 24, 2014 6:39:14 GMT -5
I've had problems with dogs while deer hunting for years, and it seems like I've seen them more this year than previous ones. I have no idea who owns them, but one of them had pups this time last year, and now I've got a huge pack of deer-running dogs. I too had an issue with stray dogs roaming my property chasing Deer and other game. I simply terminated them with my .308. <Period> Haven't had a "dog problem" in the past four years.
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