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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 26, 2014 8:07:14 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Nov 26, 2014 8:13:43 GMT -5
I did not know that ......
"By federal law, NICS researchers must race against the clock: They have until the end of the third business day following an attempted firearm purchase to determine whether or not a buyer is eligible. After that, buyers can legally get their guns, whether or not the check was completed."
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Post by steve46511 on Nov 26, 2014 8:29:58 GMT -5
. Interesting. Guess I've never bought one in the busy season. I walk out the door with the firearm 5 minutes after doing the paperwork. I never gave it a thought what would occur if they call-in didn't have an immediate answer for the dealer. God Bless
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Post by single_shooter on Nov 26, 2014 8:39:59 GMT -5
I have been in a shop and seen where a guy had a DUI like 8 years before and they would not complete the purchase and he had to wait and come back at a later date to pick up the gun because they had to determine if he was convicted of a felony.
One of the biggest issues I have with the whole thing is the lack of enforcement for attempting to purchase firearms illegally. I remember an article that stated that in the first year after the NICS check went into effect that over 3,000 convicted felons attempted to purchase firearms through dealers and not one of them was ever charged or arrested for that criminal act.
The politicians and cops say they want to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals and they will prosecute them....but they don't. Just shows that the only guns they truly want to control are those of the law abiding citizens.
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Post by swilk on Nov 26, 2014 8:42:05 GMT -5
Yep ... dont enforce the system we already have but want to expand it or add additional systems.
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Post by single_shooter on Nov 26, 2014 9:09:24 GMT -5
I also have a HUGE issue with the liberal media inflating things that are untrue and/or irrelevant. Here we have a story about gun sales booming on black friday and the strain it puts on the NICS system and how many sales are not what they should be due to the laws they are following....and the author or their editor slip in the factoid that someone is killed with a firearm every 16 seconds. Why is that even in there? I have a couple of issues with this. First of all it's a blatant lie and second it's nothing more than a liberal taunt to get people to hate guns more and more. Why can't we get a truly impersonal report on things without the liberal slant?? Here is a source they should refer to....the CDC...they keep records of everything medical. According to their records there are 11,068 firearm homicides per year. That's 30 people a day. BUT!!!!....according to the author of this article at a firearm homicide every 16 seconds that is 3.75 people per hour....which is 90 people per day....which is 32,850 people per year... 3 times the true number of people murdered with a firearm. Who do we trust? NOT the media. Just saying....most people don't realize the absurdity of some claims in so-called news articles and don't see them for what they truly are. This article was written for no other reason than to get people stirred up about gun control and to get them to lobby for better check system and more controls. Here is a link if you wish to check it out. These stats are from 2011 but I don't believe that our national murder rate with firearms has tripled in the past few years...In fact, I believe it has decreased.... www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
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Post by swilk on Nov 26, 2014 9:17:43 GMT -5
Just to be fair the author did not use the word homicide... he said "is killed by" which I would assume includes suicides. When you include suicide you get that 30k per year number.
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Post by chubwub on Nov 26, 2014 9:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Nov 26, 2014 11:44:56 GMT -5
It would be much simpler if they (Government) would repeal the GCA of 1968 & other useless gun laws. Criminals & those unfit to own a firearm, will get them regardless of the laws on the books.
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Post by single_shooter on Nov 27, 2014 0:39:10 GMT -5
I did not mention the author stated "killed by guns"....they were NOT killed by guns....the gun was just the tool of choice of the person who did the killing...the PERSON who did the killing
The Libtards seem to overlook this fact. They think that if we get rid of all the guns that the violence will end. So...by that ideology if France had outlawed all swords in the 1600's they would have stopped all the duels??? If we get rid of bigger spoons we can stop obesity? If we get rid of cars we can stop auto deaths?
There is an old poster I had at one point. On one side were a number of firearms representing every type of firearm. On the other side were photos of a screwdriver, a rolling pin, a crowbar, a baseball bat, piece of pipe and other items. It stated that these items have killed more people than all the guns shown. I wonder just how accurate that is.....
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Post by drs on Nov 27, 2014 5:45:39 GMT -5
I did not mention the author stated "killed by guns"....they were NOT killed by guns....the gun was just the tool of choice of the person who did the killing...the PERSON who did the killing The Libtards seem to overlook this fact. They think that if we get rid of all the guns that the violence will end. So...by that ideology if France had outlawed all swords in the 1600's they would have stopped all the duels??? If we get rid of bigger spoons we can stop obesity? If we get rid of cars we can stop auto deaths? There is an old poster I had at one point. On one side were a number of firearms representing every type of firearm. On the other side were photos of a screwdriver, a rolling pin, a crowbar, a baseball bat, piece of pipe and other items. It stated that these items have killed more people than all the guns shown. I wonder just how accurate that is..... Also the Liberals fail to mention that deaths cased by: (just to name a few) 1. Drugs use 2. Alcohol use 3. Automobiles 4. Slip & falls 5. Doctor's malpractices 6. Tools of all types 7. Careless Behavior Kill more people, by far, than ALL the deaths related to gun ownership or use.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Nov 28, 2014 11:56:14 GMT -5
I did not know that ...... "By federal law, NICS researchers must race against the clock: They have until the end of the third business day following an attempted firearm purchase to determine whether or not a buyer is eligible. After that, buyers can legally get their guns, whether or not the check was completed."My departed wife bought a shotgun a few years ago and it was her first. The salesman tried running the check and after awhile said to come back in 3 days so we did. We went back to pick it up and he said he still hadn't heard anything so there we go and gave her the gun. I was a little surprised but he said if he hasn't heard back from them in 3 days we could have it.
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Post by 36fan on Nov 28, 2014 13:18:18 GMT -5
One of the biggest issues I have with the whole thing is the lack of enforcement for attempting to purchase firearms illegally. I remember an article that stated that in the first year after the NICS check went into effect that over 3,000 convicted felons attempted to purchase firearms through dealers and not one of them was ever charged or arrested for that criminal act. I don't know the specifics of the law, but I would speculate to say the law says convicted felons cannot own/possess a firearm...however,if they are attempting to purchase a gun, but get denied, then they never actually own/possess the firearm. Anyone actually know the specifics of what the law(s)?
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Post by swilk on Nov 28, 2014 13:39:33 GMT -5
I believe he meant them lying on the form.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 28, 2014 14:12:50 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Nov 28, 2014 15:22:26 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2014 7:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Nov 29, 2014 9:49:32 GMT -5
I bet that for every single firearm sold at a sporting goods store, there are at least 25 sold locally by private individuals to other individuals. No Form 4473 is filled out nor background checks required on private sales. This alone just goes to show you how ineffective these "Feel Good" gun control laws are. With the record numbers of guns being sold nationwide, this certainly sounds like almost all people, in general, are pro 2nd amendment!! This should send a strong message to elected Congressmen & Senators.
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Post by single_shooter on Nov 30, 2014 14:03:14 GMT -5
Not only is lying on the form to "attempt" to purchase a firearm a crime...but the act of attempting to purchase a firearm is also a crime for a convicted felon.
The only issues i have seen is that some states allow convicted felons to possess muzzleloaders and archery but some states don't even allow that. (doesn't fit the fed's legal definition of a firearm - no form 4473)
And as far as private sales and the "feel-good" gun control laws...think back in history. They outlawed alcohol and the only result was making mobsters and rum runners a bunch of millionaires. If people want something they will find a way to get it...period. If they come take away my guns...I will get more...there is no doubt of that in my mind.
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Post by chubwub on Nov 30, 2014 16:18:52 GMT -5
I bet that for every single firearm sold at a sporting goods store, there are at least 25 sold locally by private individuals to other individuals. No Form 4473 is filled out nor background checks required on private sales. This alone just goes to show you how ineffective these "Feel Good" gun control laws are. With the record numbers of guns being sold nationwide, this certainly sounds like almost all people, in general, are pro 2nd amendment!! This should send a strong message to elected Congressmen & Senators. For what it's worth, I wouldn't sell a firearm without transfering it out of my name, even to a family member. Just way too many what ifs.
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