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Post by greghopper on Nov 27, 2014 7:47:47 GMT -5
A dispute over a nine-point buck in Wisconsin was settled with a coin flip. t.co/puucmFJ3CkIn Indiana the last or "killing" shot has the right keep Deer......
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 27, 2014 7:51:52 GMT -5
A dispute over a nine-point buck in Wisconsin was settled with a coin flip. t.co/puucmFJ3Ck
In Indiana the last or "killing" shot has the right keep Deer...... Never seen that one; what is the code reference for it? However I do agree the landowner next door should get possession of the deer.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 27, 2014 8:00:21 GMT -5
I Never seen a code also.....But Heard it roll off CO/LEO's lips.....But also makes since with a non-killing shot!!
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Post by nfalls116 on Nov 27, 2014 8:25:37 GMT -5
He gave the kid the chance to win and was probably even secretly rooting for him. I think with hunting as well as life we need to teach our kids you don't always get to win this its ok to not win has really softened a lot of kids. I grew up in it with the participation awards and such. It was lousy.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 27, 2014 8:38:10 GMT -5
OH boy... here we go,
IMHO - the first shot that would have killed the deer should be the rightful owner. If the kid just dinged the deer the deer belongs to the neighbor, period. Sorry kid...
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Post by shouldernuke on Nov 27, 2014 9:51:36 GMT -5
Up here over the last 40 years I have hunted and those before me that I learned from it was simple logic.The large group of hunters young and old that sometimes or always hunt together or beside each other have the understanding that if the Deer is atanding on its legs and moving forward the shot that puts it down gets the deer or decides who gets it period .If you anchor it you own it . It is never clear if the first shot will kill the deer they do strange things and live long times shot in places they shouldn't even take a step from.This applies in both Bow and gun .
But to be honest we generally hunt far enough apart that if a deer makes to the next hunter up here there should be no dispute about who killed it it would be the last shooter .
Saves a lot of argument and hard feelings with hunting partners and neighbors .
I have given away the deer I anchored in bow season that hunting partner gut shot about 15 years ago .Yes it was good 8pter .I shot it to get it down that was all .
I have lost a good buck 23 years ago that I hit well in the lungs on a dead run but he went about 150 yards to a partner on a deer drive and he hit him in the Shoulders and broke him down he kept that 140 class 8pt and that was ok I knew he dropped it and it was his deer .It was shotgun season .
Could not of been happier for either hunter it was what it was.
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Post by GS1 on Nov 27, 2014 10:16:49 GMT -5
In Indiana the last or "killing" shot has the right keep Deer...... Wonder which it is if the last is not the killing shot? Say I take one lung out with my bow this weekend and the neighbor blows his leg off.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 27, 2014 10:22:24 GMT -5
Leg shots are not "killing"shots...... I believe you know the answer!
BTW.... If it dies on neighbors side he don't have to let you have it anyway!
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Post by GS1 on Nov 27, 2014 12:18:28 GMT -5
Leg shots are not "killing"shots...... I believe you know the answer! BTW.... If it dies on neighbors side he don't have to let you have it anyway! I know a leg shot is not a killing shot. Just like when things are posted like "last or killing shot" when either one does not have to be the other. Curious as to the law. Will check it out later with a CO. Maybe the same situation happens between two people who are hunting a third persons property.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 27, 2014 12:47:53 GMT -5
I have seen this situation once, and the wrong guy took the deer. It was back in the late 90's and we were hunting in Orange County. It was my wife's two cousins, her stepfather, and me. One of the cousins jumped a 10-pointer and tried for a "Texas heart shot" as the buck ran straight away. About an hour later, it walked past the stepfather's stand, and he dropped it right where it stood with a single shot. About the time that he gotten down and reached the dead buck, the cousin showed up and said, "I've been blood trailing this deer after I shot it this morning, and I'm glad you finished it off for me."
Well, an examination of the buck showed that the cousin had blown its testicles off without any other damage whatsoever -- the slug never touched any other part of the body. The cousin claimed the buck and checked it in. Years later, I guess the guilt set in, and he gave the shoulder mount to its rightful owner.
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Post by jrw on Nov 27, 2014 13:20:36 GMT -5
The first time I ever hunted, opening day of firearms 2010, two guys shot the same eight pointer within minutes. The guy who took the first shot won the coin flip. To be fair, his shot would have killed the deer eventually. He, of course, would have been tracking for awhile. The other guy was upset about it until the next morning when he took an even nicer buck and his girlfriend during a short sit.
In this case, I have to agree... sorry kid, better luck next time. Plenty of years lift to tag another one.
Too often we are soft on kids regarding competition. Let's not teach him to take sub-par shots and rely on others to finish what he should have.
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Post by chubwub on Nov 27, 2014 13:30:18 GMT -5
/shrug. Would like to have a couple more details about it like shot placement. Regardless ,the kid is 11. I probably would have requested some of the meat and given the kid the deer. I know we can go on about life lessons for hunting, you don't always win, blah, blah but this is a young man just beginning to learn to hunt. I'm perfectly capable of harvesting another deer, killing another duck or what have you. I refuse to ruin someone's first kill like what was done to me.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 27, 2014 14:09:41 GMT -5
Greg, I believe your wrong on Indiana's rule.. I was told by several ( 5) DNR officers whoever made the first killing shot .
That would mean anyone could shoot a deer on the ground and claim it.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 27, 2014 14:12:47 GMT -5
Leg shots are not "killing"shots...... I believe you know the answer! BTW.... If it dies on neighbors side he don't have to let you have it anyway! beg to differ, helped track a buck shot right though the elbows, cut both veins/arteries and it went about 250 ayrds and bled out Guy I know shot a great buck this season, hit low, through both legs, never entered the chest cavity. Buck went about 135 yards , DOA.. bled out from artery cut I would never take another hunters deer even if their shot was not so on and mine killed it, in fact I've done that, helped put down a wounded deer. Karma.. pure and simple... Antlers are not that important to me
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Post by greghopper on Nov 27, 2014 14:25:38 GMT -5
Greg, I believe your wrong on Indiana's rule.. I was told by several ( 5) DNR officers whoever made the first killing shot . That would mean anyone could shoot a deer on the ground and claim it. Isn't that what I said .... Last or killing shot??? The last shot would be the "killing shot" !!! How would shooting a dead Deer be a last Killing shot??? BTW..... Maybe I should worded my original my post differently!!!
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Post by windingwinds on Nov 27, 2014 15:18:37 GMT -5
Sorry for the kid, but if neighbor shot last and deer is on his property then possession goes to neighbor. Actually in Indiana, doesn't matter if neighbor shot deer at all. Husband lost a nice doe yesterday to a neighbor who stated "if it's on my property, then it's mine now". Deer died 10 yards into his property. We would feel better if he'd eat them, but so far it just lays there for the coyotes.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 27, 2014 15:26:16 GMT -5
Greg, I believe your wrong on Indiana's rule.. I was told by several ( 5) DNR officers whoever made the first killing shot . That would mean anyone could shoot a deer on the ground and claim it. Isn't that what I said .... Last or killing shot??? The last shot would be the "killing shot" !!! How would shooting a dead Deer be a last Killing shot??? BTW..... Maybe I should worded my original my post differently!!! no.. maybe I read it wrong. I was told if 2 or more people shoot a deer, the first killing shot is the owner of the deer. It can be read a couple ways
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 27, 2014 15:30:25 GMT -5
Sorry for the kid, but if neighbor shot last and deer is on his property then possession goes to neighbor. Actually in Indiana, doesn't matter if neighbor shot deer at all. Husband lost a nice doe yesterday to a neighbor who stated "if it's on my property, then it's mine now". Deer died 10 yards into his property. We would feel better if he'd eat them, but so far it just lays there for the coyotes. It has too.. that landowner cannot legally take possession of that deer.. had an incident of this years ago with a friend. Shot a deer, died 35 yards on neighbor property... landowner refused friend and DNR officer, then stated to DNR officer it was his deer. DNR officer told him if he even touched the deer he would get a ticket. Amish guy then went down there and the DNR officer did too and watched him... I hate seeing deer wasted by slob landowners. I understand people have problems with trespassers, I do at the Miami property as well as my urban. However neither landowner would let someone waste a legally shot deer that ran on their property. Now they would expect to see evidence it was shot on legal ground then ran unto theirs, but they'd still let them get it. Honestly they'd probably have me retrieve it and take it to the people
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Post by greghopper on Nov 27, 2014 15:44:04 GMT -5
How could you retrieve a dead deer and take it to someone without a TAG??
If your in possion of any Deer you must have some type of tag for it!!
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Post by old3arrows on Nov 27, 2014 16:21:10 GMT -5
I believe if the landowner wants a deer that has expired and is on his property as long as he tags it, the DNR will say it is his deer no matter who shot it. This sort of thing happens all of the time. I had an incident 2 years ago where on opening morning of firearms season I found a dead button buck that someone had shot and crossed over on to my property and expired. I called all of the adjacent neighbors and no one would confess to shooting the deer, and I was more than willing to turn it over and help them get it out. So I called the DNR, explained the situation and asked if I could tag it as a bonus county deer with my lifetime license. He said no problem and that if I didn't want to burn a tag he would come out and issue me one. I was not going to leave that deer in the field just to go to waste. BTW the neighbor had a ladder stand on his property within sight of the dead deer, and I know someone had been sitting in it that morning.
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