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Post by parrothead on Dec 17, 2014 14:16:50 GMT -5
That kind of reminds me of these ladies her at school whose children play club volleyball and spend thousands of dollars to get a college scholarship. One family I know spent over 40,000 over 4 years and in the end their daughter decided she didn't want to play in college. They could of used that money to pay for some college.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 18, 2014 5:56:24 GMT -5
I am not going to sit here and totally knock the guys who own 1000+ acres unfenced and say it's not "real world' hunting. I am sure it is probably an incredible experience to hunt unmolested with no competition and no stress. I think it would be more fair to say for me at least, it is unrelatable to my real world experiences much in the same way a hardworking businessman who can afford to dine out every night for $500 a plate "on a budget" is an unrelatable real world experience for me because of my financial, social and class status. Therefore, I find their shows and trophies uninteresting to me because their tips, products and tactics do not always translate well into my "real world" hunting. For example, all those buck deer calls that people use and the rattle bags don't seem to work very well at all for me in areas that have any sort of hunting pressure. But you see guys on TV all the time use them on those big preserves making them work like magic. If you have 1000 acres to hunt all to yourself you can afford to make a lot more mistakes. I have some experience with this kind of mindset in the horse show world with people saying "Well you need to spend x amount of dollars to achieve this ribbon and if you don't make those sacrifices then you don't deserve to even show." It's a highly competitive pay to play sport and I hate the fact that deer hunting is starting to look a lot like an industry and hobby I loved dearly that I had to leave because it was becoming warped into something that was all about how much money you could spend to win. Well said..I never have rattled in a buck in 25 years hunting Indiana..tried it several times, doesn't work for me either, I also like how these 'Pro Hunters" are sitting up in a tree hunting and say " there he is"!! " Big Buck"!! moving around everywhere, pointing to their camera man, making sudden jerky movements etc....IN my hunting experience in Indiana those bucks would have picked them off and been gone....also these ' Pro hunters" set a ground blind out, windows wide open, hunter is moving around and big buck supposedly standing 15 yards away...now in the "real world" we set up a ground blind, big buck come in sees ground blind and is gone. no way a buck is gonna walk in to a ground blind that was just set out the day before, or that day...my experience has indicated ground blinds need to be very well brushed in, be set out for at least 2 months before hunting it before deer get used to it...but the "pro's" walk out to woods throw up a blind, hunt it and somehow the deer are immediately ok with it...lot's of things these pro hunters do don't add up for me a " Real World hunter".
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Post by swilk on Dec 18, 2014 6:05:06 GMT -5
Stands 30' in the air.
Even some lower stands, with the right setup, makes movement easier to get away with.
Blinds heavily brushed in.
They rarely show the blinds from an outside shot but when they do, most I've seen are brushed in really well.
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Post by span870 on Dec 18, 2014 6:14:34 GMT -5
I am not going to sit here and totally knock the guys who own 1000+ acres unfenced and say it's not "real world' hunting. I am sure it is probably an incredible experience to hunt unmolested with no competition and no stress. I think it would be more fair to say for me at least, it is unrelatable to my real world experiences much in the same way a hardworking businessman who can afford to dine out every night for $500 a plate "on a budget" is an unrelatable real world experience for me because of my financial, social and class status. Therefore, I find their shows and trophies uninteresting to me because their tips, products and tactics do not always translate well into my "real world" hunting. For example, all those buck deer calls that people use and the rattle bags don't seem to work very well at all for me in areas that have any sort of hunting pressure. But you see guys on TV all the time use them on those big preserves making them work like magic. If you have 1000 acres to hunt all to yourself you can afford to make a lot more mistakes. I have some experience with this kind of mindset in the horse show world with people saying "Well you need to spend x amount of dollars to achieve this ribbon and if you don't make those sacrifices then you don't deserve to even show." It's a highly competitive pay to play sport and I hate the fact that deer hunting is starting to look a lot like an industry and hobby I loved dearly that I had to leave because it was becoming warped into something that was all about how much money you could spend to win. Well said..I never have rattled in a buck in 25 years hunting Indiana..tried it several times, doesn't work for me either, I also like how these 'Pro Hunters" are sitting up in a tree hunting and say " there he is"!! " Big Buck"!! moving around everywhere, pointing to their camera man, making sudden jerky movements etc....IN my hunting experience in Indiana those bucks would have picked them off and been gone....also these ' Pro hunters" set a ground blind out, windows wide open, hunter is moving around and big buck supposedly standing 15 yards away...now in the "real world" we set up a ground blind, big buck come in sees ground blind and is gone. no way a buck is gonna walk in to a ground blind that was just set out the day before, or that day...my experience has indicated ground blinds need to be very well brushed in, be set out for at least 2 months before hunting it before deer get used to it...but the "pro's" walk out to woods throw up a blind, hunt it and somehow the deer are immediately ok with it...lot's of things these pro hunters do don't add up for me a " Real World hunter". Its b-role. Most of what you are seeing the movement and talking is filmed way after the animal is harvested. Its the same on the recovery. How many deer have you killed that you walked up on and blood is everywhere. On shows you rarely see a drop of blood on the deer. I'll stick up for most of these hunters but I'll tell you I very rarely watch them anymore because I'm just not into deer hunting anymore. I used to watch them obsessively and found it fun to find the mistakes from the actual hunt and the b-roll.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 18, 2014 6:25:38 GMT -5
Stands 30' in the air. Even some lower stands, with the right setup, makes movement easier to get away with. Blinds heavily brushed in. They rarely show the blinds from an outside shot but when they do, most I've seen are brushed in really well. I know what you're saying on brushing ground blinds in, I can tell you a story about a Big buck i watched jump the fence in to our bean field for three night in a row a few years ago, this corner in the field i could see from my kitchen window....after the third night of me watching this i decided, gonna set a blind up in corner of fence line downwind, big mess of Honey suckle in this corner would make perfect cover to brush the blind in...I went out there in the middle of the day, set the double bull blind in corner and spent an hour weaving honeysuckle around blind to make it disappear in this fence line corner..looked perfect...that evening I hunted it...just like clockwork Big buck comes to fence line 30 minutes before dark, jumps the fence, immediately looks down to the corner and as quick as he jumped the fence, he was back over it and gone...took him 3 seconds to process something was awry down in the corner...so i walked up to the fence where he jumped it , looked down to the corner,...man it looked good except the windows looked like giant eyeballs...Even a brushed in blind is out of place...deer are very " in tune" with their surroundings....I've had deer freak out because of a tiny 3x4 inch trailcam was placed somewhere they hadn't seen it before...took them 2weeks to get used to the camera being there...at least that's been my experience.
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Post by swilk on Dec 18, 2014 6:43:14 GMT -5
Built a ground level, permanent shooting house.... there is no door on it yet just an opening in the back about 4' tall by 2' wide.
My dad was hunting it earlier this year and had a mature doe stick her head inside the blind to look around. She bout came unglued once her head was inside but it didn't seem like the blind bothered her at all.
Sunday evening I was glassing and what looked like a good buck walked 5 yards from that blind.
They get used to them.....
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 18, 2014 11:52:20 GMT -5
man it looked good except the windows looked like giant eyeballs. That's how I spotted a trespasser's blind last year. I saw something from hundreds of yards away going in, and checked it out after my hunt. I found a ground blind with a headless buck carcass lying about 50 yards in front of it. The windows are what gave it away.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 18, 2014 14:51:30 GMT -5
Built a ground level, permanent shooting house.... there is no door on it yet just an opening in the back about 4' tall by 2' wide. My dad was hunting it earlier this year and had a mature doe stick her head inside the blind to look around. She bout came unglued once her head was inside but it didn't seem like the blind bothered her at all. Sunday evening I was glassing and what looked like a good buck walked 5 yards from that blind. They get used to them..... Yes I agree they get used to them after a good while..most i put out need a good year for bucks to get used to them.
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Post by swilk on Dec 18, 2014 15:23:41 GMT -5
Im sure time would vary on the deer ... I have seen deer walking through the woods and just freak out for no good reason.
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