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Post by jjm1966 on Dec 17, 2014 10:40:37 GMT -5
The proposed regulation change is starting to make headlines here, first thing i heard this morning when i turned on the radio. For or against, who knows how the non-hunting public will weigh in on it.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 17, 2014 10:52:43 GMT -5
All I got from that piece of poo was some nancy's think shotguns push their shoulders too hard....just sad. I had a hard time getting by that. Modern muzzleloaders, scoped and rifled 20 gauges or the wildcats round accomplish same or similar ballistics to some of the rifles that will hit the field next year. (I hold just one contention with them and that is they need a round limit just like waterfowlers....I don't need any .308 ARs with 20 round mags hitting the deer woods)
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Post by jjm1966 on Dec 17, 2014 11:16:42 GMT -5
All I got from that piece of poo was some nancy's think shotguns push their shoulders too hard....just sad. I had a hard time getting by that. Modern muzzleloaders, scoped and rifled 20 gauges or the wildcats round accomplish same or similar ballistics to some of the rifles that will hit the field next year. (I hold just one contention with them and that is they need a round limit just like waterfowlers....I don't need any .308 ARs with 20 round mags hitting the deer woods) yeh, i believe a limit on box magazines would probably be a good idea. that would keep some idiot with an M1A1 or AK47 from doing the spray & pray.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2014 11:17:46 GMT -5
All I got from that piece of poo was some nancy's think shotguns push their shoulders too hard....just sad. I had a hard time getting by that. Modern muzzleloaders, scoped and rifled 20 gauges or the wildcats round accomplish same or similar ballistics to some of the rifles that will hit the field next year. (I hold just one contention with them and that is they need a round limit just like waterfowlers....I don't need any .308 ARs with 20 round mags hitting the deer woods) Agreed....somewhat. The selling point on the PCRs was that there was less recoil (more kids,women and shoulder friendly) and less cost to shoot - thus more shooting/practicing and getting familiar with the firearm and what it will and will not do. There are some legal firearms out there now on an AR platform that can hold 20 rounds.. Some shotguns with a magazine extension can hold 8 rounds...The waterfowl limit is federally mandated. I don't see the limiting of rounds happening...
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Post by drs on Dec 17, 2014 11:22:00 GMT -5
In Kentucky no firearm (rifle) can hold more than 10 rounds. Shotguns are limited to three shot capacity. (3-shot rule)
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Post by jjm1966 on Dec 17, 2014 11:23:47 GMT -5
I don't see the limiting of rounds happening... probably not... if i remember correctly, at one time i believe there was a 10 round limit on detachable magazines for all hunting.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 17, 2014 11:23:53 GMT -5
(I hold just one contention with them and that is they need a round limit just like waterfowlers....I don't need any .308 ARs with 20 round mags hitting the deer woods) I hunted Kentucky for several years in the river bottoms next to a lot of waterfowl clubs. I will guarantee there is more of a problem with waterfowlers carrying guns with more than 3 shells in them than there are with guys carrying a .308 with 20 round mags.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 17, 2014 11:29:47 GMT -5
All I got from that piece of poo was some nancy's think shotguns push their shoulders too hard....just sad. I had a hard time getting by that. Modern muzzleloaders, scoped and rifled 20 gauges or the wildcats round accomplish same or similar ballistics to some of the rifles that will hit the field next year. (I hold just one contention with them and that is they need a round limit just like waterfowlers....I don't need any .308 ARs with 20 round mags hitting the deer woods) Agreed....somewhat. The selling point on the PCRs was that there was less recoil (more kids,women and shoulder friendly) and less cost to shoot - thus more shooting/practicing and getting familiar with the firearm and what it will and will not do. There are some legal firearms out there now on an AR platform that can hold 20 rounds.. Some shotguns with a magazine extension can hold 8 rounds...The waterfowl limit is federally mandated. I don't see the limiting of rounds happening... Woody, I don't see it happening either but I believe full it should, personally. I know and I hate that some platforms of the AR are acceptable now, I think it is absurd to think we can't regulate the round limit to something like waterfowlers do....but alas it ain't gonna happen so I try not to let it bug me. As for the recoil, I know that's one of the reasons they added the PCRs....the dude in the article is just comical at best in his shoulder thudding shotgun message. Cracked me up.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 17, 2014 11:31:58 GMT -5
(I hold just one contention with them and that is they need a round limit just like waterfowlers....I don't need any .308 ARs with 20 round mags hitting the deer woods) I hunted Kentucky for several years in the river bottoms next to a lot of waterfowl clubs. I will guarantee there is more of a problem with waterfowlers carrying guns with more than 3 shells in them than there are with guys carrying a .308 with 20 round mags. Doesn't change a thing and justifying it because it exists doesn't make it right in my personal opinion. All those waterfowlers were breaking the law, and deserve to be caught. We choose to play this game by the rules when we buy a tag/license...which is why as much as I hate the idea of AR platforms and AK's hitting the woods it's bound to happen and I find it disgusting but it will be legal...so I just pray people still choose good ethical shot choices and get clean quick kills.
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Post by jjas on Dec 17, 2014 11:39:07 GMT -5
I'm sure there are going to be hunters shooting multiple times, but that happens now (and has for years) with semi-auto slug guns.
Doesn't mean I like it, but it happens.
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Post by jjm1966 on Dec 17, 2014 11:58:12 GMT -5
I'm sure there are going to be hunters shooting multiple times, but that happens now (and has for years) with semi-auto slug guns. Doesn't mean I like it, but it happens. me either ... it's just now(if passed) those errant shots have a possibility of traveling further & with more energy.
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Post by featherduster on Dec 17, 2014 11:58:27 GMT -5
I don't see how you can limit the number of shells allowed because that would eliminate some firearms that are currently legal.
Back in the 70's I pushed for a 3 shell limit on all deer guns since the only guns that were legal besides muzzle loaders were shotguns that come from the factory with a plug for guns that had magazines that could hold more than 3 rounds. The reason I did this was I had gotten tired of hearing these 5-6 and 7 shot strings that were being set off by people who obviously blew the first shot and now were trying to catch up by throwing HAIL MARY LEAD.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 17, 2014 12:00:01 GMT -5
I'm sure there are going to be hunters shooting multiple times, but that happens now (and has for years) with semi-auto slug guns. Doesn't mean I like it, but it happens. me either ... it's just now(if passed) those errant shots have a possibility of traveling further & with more energy. Nice thing is compared to slugs rifle cartridges are much more fragile and fragment a lot faster....to me it's not the distance potential it's the potential to get off 10 or more as compared to most common issues being a 5 shot semi-auto shotgun nowadays (as many don't build a AR to the specs of now...but will be easy to buy one off shelf next year).
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Post by jjas on Dec 17, 2014 12:01:57 GMT -5
I'm sure there are going to be hunters shooting multiple times, but that happens now (and has for years) with semi-auto slug guns. Doesn't mean I like it, but it happens. me either ... it's just now(if passed) those errant shots have a possibility of traveling further & with more energy. FWIW, I've read studies that dispute that and claim that rifles are actually safer to use in the woods than slugs.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 17, 2014 12:18:11 GMT -5
This will ruin my two spots in Parke county to the point I won't spend the money to hunt them anymore. The only thing saving what deer are left is that they can get in a middle of a big field and not get shot at from 300-500 yards. I worked really hard to get in these areas (money and time), also. Good times.
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Post by hornzilla on Dec 17, 2014 12:18:20 GMT -5
All this talk about how many rounds a mag will hold. All im worried about is. If I'm only 22 feet up in the air with my belt feed 50. Will the end of my belt be in the mud? Lol
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 17, 2014 12:27:56 GMT -5
I'm sure there are going to be hunters shooting multiple times, but that happens now (and has for years) with semi-auto slug guns. Doesn't mean I like it, but it happens. me either ... it's just now(if passed) those errant shots have a possibility of traveling further & with more energy. Oh really, ever heard of the PA study?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 17, 2014 12:28:01 GMT -5
I hate that some platforms of the AR are acceptable now, I hate that some people still haven't accepted a rifle designed in the 1950's.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 17, 2014 12:30:17 GMT -5
I hate that some platforms of the AR are acceptable now, I hate that some people still haven't accepted a rifle designed in the 1950's. The sky will fall again just like it did with every other regulation change. People just have problems with change in general.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 17, 2014 12:34:25 GMT -5
I hate that some platforms of the AR are acceptable now, I hate that some people still haven't accepted a rifle designed in the 1950's. Seriously...I love the platform, I have the platform...but I don't feel the need nor do I feel deer hunting warrants a 20 round mag or more. Shoot call me old fashion but 1 shot is all you should be taking anyways...and need. Yes, the percentage of people that spray bullets across the fields is small...but YES I deal with these types already nearby and this law will simply make it worse. I personally don't desire the HPR rule to be allowed but honestly don't care enough to fight it, but I do feel strongly about trying to discourage shots to be rattled off at moving deer or multiple deer instead of following and reading the one you shot initially.
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