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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 8:25:24 GMT -5
Be one freakish accident to kill someone a mile away with a .22
Terminal velocity of a 20gr bullet with the aerodynamics of a pebble can't be that fast .... I'm surprised it would have enough energy to kill.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 20, 2014 8:26:36 GMT -5
Be one freakish accident to kill someone a mile away with a .22 Terminal velocity of a 20gr bullet with the aerodynamics of a pebble can't be that fast .... I'm surprised it would have enough energy to kill. Says right on the box deadly to 1.5 miles.
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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 8:26:51 GMT -5
True.. Being an old timer I've seen it all. Compounds will ruin deer hunting. In lines will ruin hunting. Smokeless muzzleloaders will ruin deer hunting. PCRs will ruin deer hunting. Crossbows will ruin deer hunting. Now it is centerfires will ruin deer huntng. Much Ado About Nothing.... . ...but nobody is running around screaming like Chicken Little about that new housing addition, strip mall, or outdoor mega store eating up habitat and ruining deer hunting. I hear it all the time. On this site. In person. In national publications.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 20, 2014 8:27:52 GMT -5
...but nobody is running around screaming like Chicken Little about that new housing addition, strip mall, or outdoor mega store eating up habitat and ruining deer hunting. I hear it all the time. On this site. In person. In national publications. Besides me? :-)
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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 8:27:59 GMT -5
Be one freakish accident to kill someone a mile away with a .22 Terminal velocity of a 20gr bullet with the aerodynamics of a pebble can't be that fast .... I'm surprised it would have enough energy to kill. Says right on the box deadly to 1.5 miles. Yep.... but run the math and you'll see how improbable it seems.
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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 8:34:59 GMT -5
I have to admit the "on the box" comment made me chuckle. Go through your house and read boxes and packages....dang near everything will kill ya.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 8:52:54 GMT -5
I think Billy's point is, why would someone be firing a HPR at an upward angle such as we do with .22s. The answer is, of course, we wouldn't. We would shoot at downward angles from elevated positions or, at most, parallel to the slope of the terrain. Thus, a .22 bullet is MUCH more likely to hit something it shouldn't far away.
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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 8:57:53 GMT -5
I know what the point was.....and not disputing that someone was killed from a long way with a .22.....just mentioning how improbable something like that is.
Probability grows as the mass and initial speed of the bullet increases.....but it still remains improbable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 10:15:35 GMT -5
I know what the point was.....and not disputing that someone was killed from a long way with a .22.....just mentioning how improbable something like that is. Probability grows as the mass and initial speed of the bullet increases.....but it still remains improbable. Gotcha. It just wasn't clear that you caught his point since you addressed something different. The point about shooting angle is a crucial one and I haven't seen it addressed enough. I've noticed Billy has brought it out several times in different threads and no one seems to pick up on it. I doubt anyone else on this forum hunts as much with a HPR as Billy does.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 20, 2014 10:53:27 GMT -5
The point about shooting angle is a crucial one and I haven't seen it addressed enough. Bullet drop at 1,000 yards for a 175-grain .308 is about 31 feet. 31 FEET hold over. And people think that with a hunter on the ground shooting level that a bullet is going to travel miles. LOL!
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Post by greghopper on Dec 20, 2014 10:57:58 GMT -5
To think most Deer hunting is Shooting in a downward angle is a bad assumption .....No everyone hunts the same way at different times!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 10:59:38 GMT -5
To think most Deer hunting is Shooting in a downward angle is a bad assumption .....No everyone hunts the same way at different times!!! Who claimed that?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 20, 2014 11:00:32 GMT -5
The point about shooting angle is a crucial one and I haven't seen it addressed enough. Bullet drop at 1,000 yards for a 175-grain .308 is about 31 feet. 31 FEET hold over. And people think that with a hunter on the ground shooting level that a bullet is going to travel miles. LOL! That a good point if your hunting FLAT land.....not everyone hunts that type of Terrain!!!
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Post by greghopper on Dec 20, 2014 11:03:12 GMT -5
To think most Deer hunting is Shooting in a downward angle is a bad assumption .....No everyone hunts the same way at different times!!! Who claimed that? You in "so many words"....IMO
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 11:08:38 GMT -5
We would shoot at downward angles from elevated positions or, at most, parallel to the slope of the terrain. I see where you are confused. See, the quote above is a compound sentence. That means it contains more than one point. The second part of the sentence is important too.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 20, 2014 11:09:01 GMT -5
Bullet drop at 1,000 yards for a 175-grain .308 is about 31 feet. 31 FEET hold over. And people think that with a hunter on the ground shooting level that a bullet is going to travel miles. LOL! That a good point if your hunting FLAT land.....not everyone hunts that type of Terrain!!! Flatlanders are the ones complaining about Indiana being too flat for HPR's. I, myself, hunt very hilly, wooded terrain.
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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 11:09:25 GMT -5
I know what the point was.....and not disputing that someone was killed from a long way with a .22.....just mentioning how improbable something like that is. Probability grows as the mass and initial speed of the bullet increases.....but it still remains improbable. Gotcha. It just wasn't clear that you caught his point since you addressed something different. The point about shooting angle is a crucial one and I haven't seen it addressed enough. I've noticed Billy has brought it out several times in different threads and no one seems to pick up on it. I doubt anyone else on this forum hunts as much with a HPR as Billy does. How did I address something different? He mentioned a case where someone was killed from a 22 a mile away .....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 11:11:50 GMT -5
Something different from what I claimed was his MAIN point, which was that there isn't a deer hunting scenario where we would be firing up into trees.
I was saying that was the most relevant point he was making to this whole debate. You focussed on a different point, that's all.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 20, 2014 11:16:30 GMT -5
Ever stand at bottom of ridge/hill and shoot upward parallel to ground....it happens!!
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Post by swilk on Dec 20, 2014 11:18:23 GMT -5
Or his main point was we already shoot at rats up in trees and then he went on to reference a case where someone was killed by a .22 rim fire fired from well over a mile away......proving the danger potential for what we already do.
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