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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2014 7:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Dec 23, 2014 8:31:32 GMT -5
I have never seen anything positive about deer farms and antlers... I guess we get deer pee from them.
It has helped with the "antler craze" that has taken over our sport
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Post by swilk on Dec 23, 2014 8:33:51 GMT -5
$4B in economic impact last year.
Thats an awful lot of money to try and fight ....
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 23, 2014 8:56:47 GMT -5
Yup, I'm all for the legal farming and butcher hiring they do...but I 100% agree with this sentiment by Adams;
“Hunters make up just 6 percent of the country’s population. We can’t afford to risk our reputation on what takes place on these deer farms,” says Adams
That is the true danger...more and more people are equating fenced farms to hunting....no good for us as a hunting community.
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Post by swilk on Dec 23, 2014 9:00:06 GMT -5
What percentage of the non hunting folks even know what a high fence operation is?
If you walked up to 100 random non-hunters and asked "do you know what high fence means in the world of hunting" how many do you think could answer?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 23, 2014 9:05:50 GMT -5
What percentage of the non hunting folks even know what a high fence operation is? If you walked up to 100 random non-hunters and asked "do you know what high fence means in the world of hunting" how many do you think could answer? Not many at all...but with social media and sharing of "harvests" it is all getting lumped into the same category for the public....not good for us IMO. |
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Post by drs on Dec 23, 2014 9:30:23 GMT -5
"......They have names like X-Factor, Rambo, Powerpoint, and Stonecold. They bear freakishly large, even grotesquely shaped, antlers, and they walk as if they might tip over from the weight of that bone. They aren’t just deer, they are genetically engineered, farm-raised, super-freak whitetails. They are also the center of a growing controversy.
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Sounds like the beginning of "GMO" Deer/venison to me...... NOT GOOD!!!! 
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 23, 2014 9:47:38 GMT -5
Well I am not for or con don't really care .But the experts are now studying the Deer urine industry issues .It is now thought that could be the main reason that CWD is popping up in areas with no captive deer .It is also funny how many areas have had captive herds for 40 or 50 years with no ill-effect. There is going to be a time where states will outlaw the use of any deer urine for any reason hunting or otherwise coming very soon because it is thought to one of the main spreaders of CWD prions now to other areas . .
On a side note I find it very very funny one of the most antler craze driven organizations and top architects in the deer world of herd decimation everywhere ,who's organization has ruined more deer hunting areas and hunters than any other is leading the charge.Man"KIP ADAMS" is so determined to make himself the "DEER" hunters only voice. QDMA is a deer hunting deer herd destroying organization. QDMA in not the only voice in the deer world its sad that they are so present in every thing hunters do or dont do .I think he needs to just go away with his silly little Souther Deer hunting Club that dose not work in the upper Midwest and Midwest ..
QDMA have their place in the deep south and South East where deer food and massive over population are a problem .But they need to be reined in here in the Midwest with their shoot every doe you can or at least 30% odf the doe herd and only kill mature bucks crap they are just as guilty as the Deer farms / shooting pens of destroying deer hunters and hunting .Kettle meet Pot ..They both need to go IMHO but neither are headed anywhere .
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Post by swilk on Dec 23, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -5
My opinion of the qdma is greatly different than yours.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 23, 2014 9:59:45 GMT -5
Well I am not for or con don't really care .But the experts are now studying the Deer urine industry issues .It is now thought that could be the main reason that CWD is popping up in areas with no captive deer .It is also funny how many areas have had captive herds for 40 or 50 years with no ill-effect. There is going to be a time where states will outlaw the use of any deer urine for any reason hunting or otherwise coming very soon because it is thought to one of the main spreaders of CWD prions now to other areas . . On a side note I find it very very funny one of the most antler craze driven organizations and top architects in the deer world of herd decimation everywhere ,who's organization has ruined more deer hunting areas and hunters than any other is leading the charge.Man"KIP ADAMS" is so determined to make himself the "DEER" hunters only voice. QDMA is a deer hunting deer herd destroying organization. QDMA in not the only voice in the deer world its sad that they are so present in every thing hunters do or dont do .I think he needs to just go away with his silly little Souther Deer hunting Club that dose not work in the upper Midwest and Midwest .. QDMA have their place in the deep south and South East where deer food and massive over population are a problem .But they need to be reined in here in the Midwest with their shoot every doe you can or at least 30% odf the doe herd and only kill mature bucks crap they are just as guilty as the Deer farms / shooting pens of destroying deer hunters and hunting .Kettle meet Pot ..They both need to go IMHO but neither are headed anywhere . says the guy who shot 2 antlerless DEER this year and complains about the Deer Herd & numbers....SMH |
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 23, 2014 10:01:16 GMT -5
My opinion of the qdma is greatly different than yours. I concur....QDMA doesn't encourage decimation of doe population like described depending on localized deer herd numbers and age structure.... scratching my head on that one. |
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 23, 2014 10:12:09 GMT -5
Well I am not for or con don't really care .But the experts are now studying the Deer urine industry issues .It is now thought that could be the main reason that CWD is popping up in areas with no captive deer .It is also funny how many areas have had captive herds for 40 or 50 years with no ill-effect. There is going to be a time where states will outlaw the use of any deer urine for any reason hunting or otherwise coming very soon because it is thought to one of the main spreaders of CWD prions now to other areas . . On a side note I find it very very funny one of the most antler craze driven organizations and top architects in the deer world of herd decimation everywhere ,who's organization has ruined more deer hunting areas and hunters than any other is leading the charge.Man"KIP ADAMS" is so determined to make himself the "DEER" hunters only voice. QDMA is a deer hunting deer herd destroying organization. QDMA in not the only voice in the deer world its sad that they are so present in every thing hunters do or dont do .I think he needs to just go away with his silly little Souther Deer hunting Club that dose not work in the upper Midwest and Midwest .. QDMA have their place in the deep south and South East where deer food and massive over population are a problem .But they need to be reined in here in the Midwest with their shoot every doe you can or at least 30% odf the doe herd and only kill mature bucks crap they are just as guilty as the Deer farms / shooting pens of destroying deer hunters and hunting .Kettle meet Pot ..They both need to go IMHO but neither are headed anywhere . says the guy who shot 2 antlerless DEER this year and complains about the Deer Herd & numbers....SMH Be spacific the guy who shot a button buck and thought that the other was a button to . FI they dont have fawns .But Yep I will live with the fact a I killed a doe its going to be ok .Its not like I stacked em up like cord wood like many do and spacifiacally target mature doe's. So fact is two bucks one with antlers and one with buttons thats a win win for me and the local herd .But that doe was a casulty of war and no binoculars at 35 yards and was alone .MY bad.at least it was not 3 doe Greg like many do around these parts just to fill thier tags and freezer. SMH ..at what you dont know but thought you did know ..LOL perfect world with you aint it must be hard to hang from a cross all the time .Next year binocs will hang from my neck in bow season. |
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 23, 2014 10:15:21 GMT -5
My opinion of the qdma is greatly different than yours. Actually I bet it dont that much.. But mine does not align with by the book version of QDMAs at all here and I bet yours dont either. Thats the problem with it it dont apply everywhere nor should it but thats the first thing many look to as the big buck producer and healthy herd .LOL |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 23, 2014 10:29:53 GMT -5
says the guy who shot 2 antlerless DEER this year and complains about the Deer Herd & numbers....SMH Be spacific the guy who shot a button buck and thought that the other was a button to . FI they dont have fawns .But Yep I will live with the fact a I killed a doe its going to be ok .Its not like I stacked em up like cord wood like many do and spacifiacally target mature doe's. So fact is two bucks one with antlers and one with buttons thats a win win for me and the local herd .But that doe was a casulty of war and no binoculars at 35 yards and was alone .MY bad.at least it was not 3 doe Greg like many do around these parts just to fill thier tags and freezer. SMH ..at what you dont know but thought you did know ..LOL perfect world with you aint it must be hard to hang from a cross all the time .Next year binocs will hang from my neck in bow season. Guess I should know KILLING 2 immature BUCKS is QDM in your neck of the woods...LOL.....my BAD!!! BTW...not sure why the "CROSS" is needed in this conversation...it really don't help your position!!! carry on though.... |
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 23, 2014 10:32:04 GMT -5
I will kill every leagle buck( horn or no horn) I can. Meat hunter and for each doe I pass u get 2 extra next year with one being a buck with no horns. If I owned and controlled a Sq mile I might pass on a horned deer but the button will migrate out of my area never to be seen again.looks better in my freezer than 3 miles down the road next year
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 23, 2014 10:48:16 GMT -5
Be spacific the guy who shot a button buck and thought that the other was a button to . FI they dont have fawns .But Yep I will live with the fact a I killed a doe its going to be ok .Its not like I stacked em up like cord wood like many do and spacifiacally target mature doe's. So fact is two bucks one with antlers and one with buttons thats a win win for me and the local herd .But that doe was a casulty of war and no binoculars at 35 yards and was alone .MY bad.at least it was not 3 doe Greg like many do around these parts just to fill thier tags and freezer. SMH ..at what you dont know but thought you did know ..LOL perfect world with you aint it must be hard to hang from a cross all the time .Next year binocs will hang from my neck in bow season. Guess I should know KILLING 3 immature BUCKS is QDM in your neck of the woods...LOL.....my BAD!!! BTW...not sure why the "CROSS" is needed in this conversation...it really don't help your position!!! carry on though.... FYI one was not mature and the other was whats your point you never saw the antlered buck I killed or drug his big old butt and I also could care less if a I killed button moves to anyone lese land at 16 months old or not' But the I do care about my local herd .And the killing of a few bucks mature or otherwise especially button bucks on any property dont effect the herd there in the long haul or even next year .My buck turned out to be 3.5 years old and thats old enough for me and this area since most of this states hunters cant kill a buck over 1.5 or 2.5 years old . Nothing wrong with my position at all .Its in line with any herd growth tactics and is compleatly all about not having any antler porn involved in it at all ..JMHO guys are blinded by big antlers many times and help feed our isssues in this country with deer hunting .FYI not every older buck has huge antlers actually most do not thats a fact if they did the woods would be full of giant bucks since the OBR has "worked so well on making bucks older " now wont they !! LMAO You and I just will never see eye to eye its clear and thats ok just like DRS and Swilk wont thats life and ok too .We all have our own minds and thoughts on things . |
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Post by dadfsr on Dec 23, 2014 10:57:19 GMT -5
How did this evolve so quick into something that absolutely has nothing to do with deer farms? How one hunts LEGALLY should never be questioned....jmho and another reason that I'll NEVER post a picture of any buck that I take on here!!!!! |
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 23, 2014 10:58:07 GMT -5
I will kill every leagle buck( horn or no horn) I can. Meat hunter and for each doe I pass u get 2 extra next year with one being a buck with no horns. If I owned and controlled a Sq mile I might pass on a horned deer but the button will migrate out of my area never to be seen again.looks better in my freezer than 3 miles down the road next year Exactly and to drive this home check out post 9 on this thread FYI I think he relocated at 16 months old 32 miles from home and took up new residance and big antlered bucks for the most part are born that way top end from the time they are born .The rest is just a sruggle to get any real size at all . LOL 32 miles .I saw a buck that as a button that had a large white chest patch below his neck patch looked like a triangle long and wide clear down on the dark hair area of the chest V area , very distinctive as a button buck .He was killed last year 24 miles from his last known position just down the road .. Check out post 9 here very interesting and drives home the point with a hammer .. Keep passing them buttons for me fellas they will just move in and grow up here lol.. SMH www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2383348 |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 23, 2014 11:22:01 GMT -5
How did this evolve so quick into something that absolutely has nothing to do with deer farms? How one hunts LEGALLY should never be questioned....jmho
and another reason that I'll NEVER post a picture of any buck that I take on here!!!!! I agree....But there is some who are ALWAYS complaining how the Deer Herd is managed and the Deer numbers!!! When in all reality they are the problem...IMO BTW....IMO...you can Kill any and as many Deer as legal, just don't be complaining about the Deer herd later!! |
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 23, 2014 11:33:08 GMT -5
How did this evolve so quick into something that absolutely has nothing to do with deer farms? How one hunts LEGALLY should never be questioned....jmho
and another reason that I'll NEVER post a picture of any buck that I take on here!!!!! I agree....But there is some who are ALWAYS complaining how the Deer Herd is managed and the Deer numbers!!! When in all reality they are the problem...IMO BTW....IMO...you can Kill any and as many Deer as legal, just don't be complaining about the Deer herd later!! Your right anyone can kill anything .But button bucks never factor in in any localized deer herd ever they dont produce fawns they move on far away as a rule and antlered bucks are one and done they also dont factor in on any sort of herd growth at any age either,.Yep I dropped a doe and after a few minutes of shoppers remorse was over it and made sure the next one was a button buck once again two deer out of three that has 0 effect on my localised deer herd and one that did .Opps MY bad but my take this year will not make or break my herd just slowed the growth by 1-3 deer next year and that misstake wont be made again next year and its been several years since any doe fell from us on my farm so no biggie .But the Buttons will continue to fall since I have no shortage of young bucks again this year after the corn came down .The issue is just the old doe's who produce the most fawns are the problem . Life happens and the kiling of any buck in season has ) effect on herd growth the next year .Biology 101 the doe herd will breed even in very low buck numbers conditions .Thus still herd growth and buck replacement every year . My job is to not make sure others get to hunt trophy bucks or bucks period its just to hunt my hunt my way and it works . |
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