Wild house cats or loose house cats causing disease in Deer.

[shouldernuke]

look at this if you have lots of cats running loose or wild they could be making your deer sick or killing them .

wildlife.org/feral-cats-likely-driving-disease-among-deer-study-finds/

[ridgerunner]

Dec 28, 2014 23:16:43 GMT -5 shouldernuke said:

look at this if you have lots of cats running loose or wild they could be making your deer sick or killing them .

wildlife.org/feral-cats-likely-driving-disease-among-deer-study-finds/

Coni-bear bucket set with catfood, or sardines...caught a ton of em over the years. Stray dogs are almost as bad, but no one wants to tackle that issue...politically in-correct.

[tenring]

6 cats so far this year.

[firstwd]

Don't fall under domestic animal abuse laws like dogs?

[shouldernuke]

Dec 29, 2014 19:43:18 GMT -5 firstwd said:

Don't fall under domestic animal abuse laws like dogs?

Actually I think you will find under law a dog or cat is considered a domestic pet only if it tagged and collard .FYI actually state law for any dog or cat that is considered a pet and they must be tagged .There are also law regarding feral dogs and cats and the control of those animals on the state and local levels .

[Woody Williams]

Let's don't get another dog shooting thread going.....

[trapperdave]

most Indiana counties have leash laws.

want to keep your pet safe? CONTAIN IT! Its the LAW.

dont get me started on feral cats...

abcnews.go.com/Technology/cats-kill-billions-animals-annually-study-finds/story?id=18357853
www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/field-notes/2011/03/new-study-house-cats-taking-serious-toll-wildlife
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/domestic-cats-kill-billions-mice-birds-annually-study_n_2575833.html
www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4/n1/abs/ncomms2380.html

[shouldernuke]

Dec 29, 2014 21:17:08 GMT -5 Woody Williams said:

Let's don't get another dog shooting thread going.....

Your right its a stupid and fruitless argument and I will not debate it either way .I do however want everyone to know that this is out there and very prevalent in some areas and it can get into humans who eat the meat of an infected deer .So watch for cysts on deer and if you are in an area with many Ferrel cats be cautious and if you notice a drop in deer numbers or some sick deer in these areas report it to the DNR quickly .People need to not debate dog and cat control here .

[chubwub]

I always thought it was funny that so many hunters/men can kill a feral cat without blinking an eye but turn into giant pansies when it comes to dispatching dogs no matter how repugninant and rabid they are. Double standards I tell ya, double standrds!!!

[Deleted]

No such thing as a "domestic cat"...

Vile critters are always just a heartbeat from scratching your eyes out. Satan has a cat on his lap right now, guaranteed!

[esshup]

Dec 30, 2014 22:40:27 GMT -5 @metamorahunter said:

No such thing as a "domestic cat"...

Vile critters are always just a heartbeat from scratching your eyes out. Satan has a cat on his lap right now, guaranteed!

Couldn't have said it better! I have yet to see one trained to respond to commands like a well trained dog.

[chubwub]

Dec 31, 2014 7:42:06 GMT -5 esshup said:

Dec 30, 2014 22:40:27 GMT -5 @metamorahunter said:

No such thing as a "domestic cat"...

Vile critters are always just a heartbeat from scratching your eyes out. Satan has a cat on his lap right now, guaranteed!

Couldn't have said it better! I have yet to see one trained to respond to commands like a well trained dog.

I would like to introduce you to the agility cats.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c7rmU-6o0o

[subzero350]

A little history lesson for the cat haters here...

From the middle of the 1300s until the 1700s, the black plague terrorized much of Europe and parts of Asia. Most historians believe the plague was first brought to Europe on ships from Asia. The most likely culprit was the black rats that often foraged among the ships’ holds for food scraps. These were smaller relatives of the brown rats.

The initial outbreak of the plague in fourteenth-century Europe was the most virulent. In fact, much of the populations of England and France were decimated. In some parts of England the death toll was 50%. Some parts of France suffered an astounding loss of ninety percent of their populations.

Many modern readers assume that there was only one outbreak of the black plague, but there were actually several. In fact, it raged through Europe about once every generation until the beginning of the eighteenth century. One of the last major outbreaks occurred in England with the Great Plague of London, which took place in 1665-1666.

Interestingly, the fate of mankind was curiously linked to that of the common house cat. When the cat populations rose, the pandemic ebbed, and when the cat population plummeted, the black plague made a resurgence. Why?

Remember that the plague was spread by fleas that lived on rats. A vicious cycle kept the disease going. Infected fleas would bite a rat, and the rodent would become infected. Then other fleas biting the infected rat would become infected themselves. Once the host rat died of the plague, any fleas living on it would find themselves homeless and would go in search of a new host. Unfortunately, this often took the form of a human. When the sick infected fleas bit the human in order to feed, the human would become infected.So why didn’t the Europeans just keep plenty of cats around to kill the rats and thereby reduce the incidence of the plague? They had cats at the time. They were originally brought to Europe by the Romans, who had discovered the felines in Egypt. Keeping pet cats as mousers had become popular in Europe by the time of the first plague.

To fully answer that question, you need to understand the belief system of medieval Europe. Based on historical accounts and medieval art, people during this period were prone to many superstitions. The Catholic Church was the most powerful entity in Europe at the time, and the masses were consumed with the presence of evil and eradicating it in any form it might be believed to take. Because of their secretive nature and their ability to survive extraordinary circumstances, the general population came to fear cats as consorts of Satan. The innocent cats began to be killed by the thousands.

The cats ultimately got their revenge, of course. Since there were few felines left, the rat populations increased unchecked, and the plague grew even more widespread. You’d think that the humans would make the connection by this point, but instead, they made things even worse. They began to associate the plague’s new vigor with the cats and even with dogs. They believed that since both of these animals typically harbored fleas, they must be the cause of the plague. Subsequently, cats were outlawed in many parts of Europe, and huge numbers of cats and dogs were killed. In fact, at one point in the middle ages, there were barely any cats left in England at all.

Even though cat ownership was illegal in some regions, a few people kept their felines. Other people finally noticed that these cat owners often seemed to be immune to the black plague. Word spread quickly, and more observations of this phenomenon were noticed. This resulted in research, crude as it was during the time.

Eventually, it was decided that the rats, not the cats, were responsible for spreading the black plague. Then, of course, everyone wanted to own a cat or two. And since cats are prolific breeders, it didn’t take long for the demand to be satisfied. The laws which had been the cats’ death sentence were repealed. In many regions, a new law took its place – one that protected felines instead of banning them and almost causing their extinction in Europe.

full article: redicecreations.com/article.php?id=11435

[Woody Williams]

Dec 31, 2014 11:10:35 GMT -5 chubwub said:

Dec 31, 2014 7:42:06 GMT -5 esshup said:

Couldn't have said it better! I have yet to see one trained to respond to commands like a well trained dog.

I would like to introduce you to the agility cats.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c7rmU-6o0o

....and HERO cats..



www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv60U76Ouqs

[esshup]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One trainer that has the patience of a saint and one cat that saw it's meal ticket getting chewed on and thought that it'd starve if it didn't do something to stop it.



If that was so easy to do, where's all the cat agility contests??





I'd like to see one that was trained to retrieve ducks and geese!!

[Deleted]

I don't hate cats...but I'll never trust one either.

[Woody Williams]

Dec 31, 2014 14:13:34 GMT -5 esshup said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One trainer that has the patience of a saint and one cat that saw it's meal ticket getting chewed on and thought that it'd starve if it didn't do something to stop it.



If that was so easy to do, where's all the cat agility contests??





I'd like to see one that was trained to retrieve ducks and geese!!

About the 129 mark....


www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkXRuayRw4U

[Deleted]

The difference between cats and dogs:

Dogs: You feed them the best food, you give them a nice place to live, a warm bed and shelter, pet them, groom them, lavish them with love and attention and they think you are their god.

Cats: You feed them the best food, you give them a nice place to live, a warm bed and shelter, pet them, groom them, lavish them with love and attention and they think they are your god.

'Nuff said!

[bullseye69]

Dec 31, 2014 15:34:17 GMT -5 @metamorahunter said:

The difference between cats and dogs:

Dogs: You feed them the best food, you give them a nice place to live, a warm bed and shelter, pet them, groom them, lavish them with love and attention and they think you are their god.

Cats: You feed them the best food, you give them a nice place to live, a warm bed and shelter, pet them, groom them, lavish them with love and attention and they think they are your god.

'Nuff said!

LOL.....true

[firstwd]

Dec 31, 2014 15:34:17 GMT -5 @metamorahunter said:

The difference between cats and dogs:

Dogs: You feed them the best food, you give them a nice place to live, a warm bed and shelter, pet them, groom them, lavish them with love and attention and they think you are their god.

Cats: You feed them the best food, you give them a nice place to live, a warm bed and shelter, pet them, groom them, lavish them with love and attention and they think they are your god.

'Nuff said!

Cats are stubborn evil critters, but barring a large cat species, they won't maul their owners to death on Christmas.