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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 11, 2015 14:49:04 GMT -5
I know I am odd but while the numbers are good reference points, little of it means much if the bullet used doesn't do it's thing , regardless of the "KE" it has. I look more at minimum velocities for bullet performance and about the only reason I run the trajectory charts so Ill know ABOUT where the bullet's limitation is. Actual mileage may vary but it's a good starting point for me. God Bless True that's where to start .I had a 243 loaded many years ago pushing a partition bullet at about maxed out and it would cut hole after hole on the bench every gun eats differently . FYI it would devastate Pronghorn at 300-500 yards .And Ground Hogs could not take it either. lol
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 11, 2015 14:50:53 GMT -5
run a 150 your choice BC and look at about 2800-2900 good hand load there its flatttt out mean!! IN a boat tail PSP
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 14:51:05 GMT -5
Nuke - what's currently available to those of us who like to tinker is not all that different from what will be easily available to all once this passes. That's my only point.
Ive just mentioned the smokeless mzs..... the wssm's are capable of even more currently. I can push a 180 grain bullet at 2900 out of my bolt gun. BC is worse than a .30 cal bullet of course but its still a beast for whitetails.
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 14:55:02 GMT -5
run a 150 your choice BC and look at about 2800-2900 good hand load there its flatttt out mean!! IN a boat tail PSP Yep...those that like to tinker will do some amazing things with the new regs. I was looking at what a guy could go buy off the shelf with the 308 numbers I posted. Will a factory 308 round even hit 2700 out of a normal 22" barrel?
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 11, 2015 14:59:08 GMT -5
I think most here don't get it though that are fighting it .We are in some instance seeing far more gun out there than many will use even under the HPR regs .LOL I have seen dozens say they cant wait to use that 30-30. Sure it is but that's the point its a limited beast just like my bolt .20 is bur you add the flatter trajectory and way way less recoil and inherent accuracy of most HPRs its a given they will be the best choice for cleaner kills and more accurate average shooters .
I hate watching average hunters shoot what we have now they flinch before the guns go off many times on the range .But most the HPR just set and squeeze after just a few rounds when the realize they are not getting belted in the shoulder or head by a scope!!
We will se but my prediction is you guys better be working up a load or finding what fires best out of the Rifle you own or buy .FYI I still like a 12 -14 power vx scope lol in the woods its 6 power all the way !
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 11, 2015 15:09:01 GMT -5
run a 150 your choice BC and look at about 2800-2900 good hand load there its flatttt out mean!! IN a boat tail PSP Yep...those that like to tinker will do some amazing things with the new regs. I was looking at what a guy could go buy off the shelf with the 308 numbers I posted. Will a factory 308 round even hit 2700 out of a normal 22" barrel? Yes most manufactures have at least one or two .They are not cheap either usually
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2015 15:56:11 GMT -5
Very interesting information guys, but what does it have to do with "Current data on the public input"?
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 16:12:29 GMT -5
Want me to change the title of the thread?
Edit - I went ahead and changed it to add other stuff.....
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2015 16:22:35 GMT -5
Want me to change the title of the thread? Edit - I went ahead and changed it to add other stuff..... No... Just stick to the original subject. Start another thread if you want to talk ballistics..
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 16:28:20 GMT -5
I welcomed additional conversation when I started the topic just neglected to include it in the subject line. Most of these 5 pages have been things other than public input...... I'm fine with it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2015 16:50:53 GMT -5
Bull... And don't try to play silly games with me.
Stick to the original subject.. Understood?
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 19:53:22 GMT -5
I just counted through all of the e-mailed comments -- it took me 2 1/2 hours! My wife talked to me a few times and I was concerned about losing count, so TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE the following are correct:
YES: 774
Yes with stipulations (such as magazine restrictions, county, etc.): 155
NO: 773
I thought it was hilarious that I came up with a single, solid 1 vote lead for the 100% "yes" category. LOL! Adding in the "yes with restrictions crowd puts it at 929 supporting and 773 opposed.
Not that any of this matters, as the NRC isn't considering the majority when voting anyway. 1000 could be against and 1 for and it still pass.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2015 19:59:13 GMT -5
Not that any of this matters, as the NRC isn't considering the majority when voting anyway. 1000 could be against and 1 for and it still pass. Surely you really don't believe that......
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:00:27 GMT -5
It appears that the majority of the "no" votes came after the Indy Star article came out. There were a couple of posts that really stood out for me -- two guys who said that they wanted to hunt with rifles but didn't want their neighbors to. LOL!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2015 20:00:52 GMT -5
This had to be Excedrin headache #1.. biggrin2
That is a change from when I partially counted some through December 4th. At that time it was about 65% to 35% pro.
Personally I think that some of this has hit the newspapers and the non-hunters (not necessarily anti-hunters but them too) have weighed in.,
You're right on not counting - supposedly. Of course politicians weighing in could make a difference too..
As Yogi Berra said ," It ain't over, till it's over"
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:01:22 GMT -5
Not that any of this matters, as the NRC isn't considering the majority when voting anyway. 1000 could be against and 1 for and it still pass. Surely you really don't believe that...... Greg, I honestly believe 100% that they are not going to add up votes and choose the majority.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:02:52 GMT -5
That is a change from when I partially counted some through December 4th. At that time it was about 65% to 35% pro. Looking back, I should have started where you left off on the first count. LOL!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2015 20:04:53 GMT -5
BTW - thanks for stepping up..
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2015 20:05:52 GMT -5
They may not count votes....but if it was the example you gave "1000 could be against and 1 for" your see the 1000 group win!!!!
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:06:38 GMT -5
BTW - thanks for stepping up.. No problem, as I had nothing to do anyway but sit here in this recliner. My biggest fear was that someone else was counting too and that I was wasting my time.
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