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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:07:58 GMT -5
They may not count votes....but if it was the example you gave "1000 could be against and 1 for" your see the 1000 group win!!!! Technically it could work that way, but yeah, my example may have been a little extreme. LOL! But we all know that more goes into these proposals being approved/denied than simple public opinion.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2015 20:13:14 GMT -5
It would have to work that way....no could to it!!!
The masses would erupt!!!
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 20:15:00 GMT -5
I just counted through all of the e-mailed comments -- it took me 2 1/2 hours! My wife talked to me a few times and I was concerned about losing count, so TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE the following are correct: YES: 774 Yes with stipulations (such as magazine restrictions, county, etc.): 155 NO: 773 I thought it was hilarious that I came up with a single, solid 1 vote lead for the 100% "yes" category. LOL! Adding in the "yes with restrictions crowd puts it at 929 supporting and 773 opposed. Not that any of this matters, as the NRC isn't considering the majority when voting anyway. 1000 could be against and 1 for and it still pass. Quicker than me.....I made it about halfway on Friday. I printed the files out but it still makes a fella cross eyed sorting through it.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:17:38 GMT -5
It would have to work that way....no could to it!!! The masses would erupt!!! So, it is your belief that the public majority always wins in the proposal process?
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2015 20:24:35 GMT -5
No the Masses win...... If not heads will roll!!! How could they not!!!
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:26:11 GMT -5
Well then...rifles are coming. LOL!
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2015 20:30:41 GMT -5
Well then...rifles are coming. LOL! Masses are not a 1 vote difference!!
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 20:30:48 GMT -5
Well then...rifles are coming. LOL! Depends....I see a "yes" with changes needed as a "no" which would put the "no's" in the lead. I'm sure others would see it different which means it will depend on who is making the decisions.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:34:49 GMT -5
Well then...rifles are coming. LOL! Depends....I see a "yes" with changes needed as a "no" which would put the "no's" in the lead. I'm sure others would see it different which means it will depend on who is making the decisions. Yep. Many of the "yes with restrictions" were fine with them as long as they weren't in urban deer zones, etc. Some wanted them, but no .50 BMG. Some said as long as all shotguns and rifles had magazine restrictions. Most of them were pretty feasible amendments. All the NRC has to say is that the for/against comments were pretty well even, then do what they want to do.
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 20:38:47 GMT -5
Lol....that 50cal gets a bad wrap....especially considering most have never even seen one.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:41:38 GMT -5
Lol....that 50cal gets a bad wrap....especially considering most have never even seen one. What's funny is that those who own them are already shooting them. It's not like someone is going to plop down thousands of dollars to go buy one just to deer hunt with. I sold mine a few years ago to a police department in Tennessee.
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Post by swilk on Jan 11, 2015 20:44:52 GMT -5
My neighbor had one briefly but sold it before ever shooting it. Personally I wouldn't want to lug one around.....
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 20:51:49 GMT -5
My neighbor had one briefly but sold it before ever shooting it. Personally I wouldn't want to lug one around..... 25 pounds isn't something you pack around deer hunting. LOL! And I'm sure that if someone were to be crazy enough to deer hunt with one, they'd be very aware of what lay beyond their target, just as they would be when plinking with it. They are legal in other rifle states, yet you never hear anything about them.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2015 21:08:25 GMT -5
Greg,
It would have to be able overwhelming opposition. Not a close call like this is so far .
"Overwhelming" is like what happened to proposal #1..
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2015 21:18:31 GMT -5
Greg, It would have to be able overwhelming opposition. Not a close call like this is so far . "Overwhelming" is like what happened to proposal #1.. That was my point....overwhelming for or against you would see it go to the masses Actually a close vote/count IMO would go in favor of the DNR. They would then know they have public backing with what ever there decision was.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 21:26:14 GMT -5
I agree with you, Greg.
I'm not up to date on the whole NRC thing, but it is of my opinion that they are not elected and do not answer to the public. Let's assume that every one of the members of the NRC board wants to hunt with a HPR. Couldn't they simply vote "yes" regardless of what the majority of the public wanted? As far as I know, they aren't legally bound to vote with the majority.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 11, 2015 22:19:09 GMT -5
The majority of those opposed could be split into two camps -- those who felt it was unsafe and those who thought it would decimate the herd. You'd be surprised how many people think that legalizing HPR's is going to result in all of the deer being killed. Heck, all the DNR needs to do is reign in the antlerless permits.
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Post by esshup on Jan 11, 2015 23:00:20 GMT -5
Nuke - how does the knockdown of my mz compare to those rifles you listed? 300gr .458 Barnes original going 2500 or so. I can turn it up a but if I want to but its a dead hold out to 240 so I don't feel the need. It'll shoot right around MOA too. I get your point but there are most definitely exceptions to the point you are trying to make. swik, GREAT choice in muzzleloaders!
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Post by esshup on Jan 11, 2015 23:25:47 GMT -5
I think there is at least one user on this forum with a .45 cal savage that could put up some impressive numbers out much further than mine can. Both mine still run stock barrels shooting sabots.... some guys are running bore size bullets without sabots and duplex loads. Somebody ask for a .45 cal Savage owner?? I'm pushing a 195g Barnes .40 cal bullet with 70.0g of H-4198. Center of scope to center of bore is 1.75" The verified bc of the bullet is 0.22 (G1), MV at 10' from the muzzle is 2850 fps. I zero the gun at 200 yds. I am using the Blue Harvestor sabot, and that's about the max fps that the sabot will hold. I can push it faster, but that's where the accuracy is, so I left it there fps wise. Yes, wind drift is terrible at longer ranges, and I really, really have to watch it. As for bullet drop, I'll let you guys run the numbers, that should give you enough info. As for bullet placement, I carry a laser rangefinder with me. BUT, if the deer looks like it's 200 yds or less, I don't even bother with using it. All I do is hold about 3"-4" below where I think the spine is, behind the shoulder (if the deer is broadside) and squeeze the trigger. If everything goes as planned, the bullet goes beneath the spine or grazing the bottom of it, then thru both lungs and the energy transferred to the spinal cord drops the deer right there. By the time the shock wears off, the deer has died because of the holes in the lungs... One of these years I'll have one facing me and I'll recover the bullet. So far all have been pass thru's. If you buy into the hype of how much FPE is required to kill a deer, that's fine. There are guys down in the south central part of the state (near Terre Haute) that used that exact same set-up to cull deer for depredation tags and have cleanly killed deer at 400 yds with it. Sorry Woody, I replied before I read your posts about keeping it on track. Move my last 2 posts if you want!
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Post by drs on Jan 12, 2015 5:10:19 GMT -5
I've used my Ruger Model 77/44 Mag. here in Kentucky as well as in Indiana (2007 when it became legal). I've never lost a Deer using it, in fact I once killed two Deer with ONE SHOT @ 60 yards. The 240 grain Hornady XTP bullet went through the larger Deer and through the smaller Deer that was beside her. Indiana is not going to be handicapped by using what is legal today and if you don't like the ballistics of the .44 Remington Magnum you can always switch over to the 460 S&W as it's a more powerful round. 460 308 Looks like 460 is a poor choice... IMHO Your .460 S&W is not anything like a .308. However it is legal in Indiana, and it will still take a Deer, just like a .308 will, which is NOT permitted in Indiana for Deer. Why do you need a cartridge like the .308 or .270 to take a Deer at normal hunting ranges when either the .44 Magnum or .460 S&W will do just as well. If you guy hunting aren't careful; you might find that even the "PCRs" will be banned and you'll be back to using shotgun slugs & Muzzle Loaders. Too much noise being made on this HPR issue, which might lead to another look at PCR safety which some official in the IDNR.
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