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Post by beermanbrian on Feb 8, 2015 21:02:59 GMT -5
You're basing much of your argument off 1 idiot that got lost in Hoosier national, without a flashlight mind you. You can't fix stupid no matter what the age. Be that as it may, he is not the first person to get lost in big woods and won't be the last. You don't seem to mention why these guys you have to help need help. Maybe they weren't fortunate enough to grow up hunting. Maybe they didn't have someone patient enough to teach them. Whatever the reason, if people with the knowledge don't take the time to teach instead of just complaining then many aspects of our hunting heritage will die. It's the job of people with knowledge to pass it on no matter what the age.
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Post by shouldernuke on Feb 8, 2015 21:43:34 GMT -5
You're basing much of your argument off 1 idiot that got lost in Hoosier national, without a flashlight mind you. You can't fix stupid no matter what the age. Be that as it may, he is not the first person to get lost in big woods and won't be the last. You don't seem to mention why these guys you have to help need help. Maybe they weren't fortunate enough to grow up hunting. Maybe they didn't have someone patient enough to teach them. Whatever the reason, if people with the knowledge don't take the time to teach instead of just complaining then many aspects of our hunting heritage will die. It's the job of people with knowledge to pass it on no matter what the age. That is the point I guess .The fact is most think they have it all figured out and the only time they want help is when it all goes south and then its almost always someone or something else's fault. When you offer that help without them asking they roll their eyes or say yahh I know many times even when done diplomatically . Or in a manor that is needed .The only time thy want to learn or need help it seems is when they loose a deer or just are not having any luck then when you tell its right back usually to what they were doing before .Sorry its just seems that's how most are .Like I said maybe thats why 75% of this states hunters go deer less in what is supposed to be a deer bonanza state where supposedly they are or were everywhere. So yes some but not all do want to learn more and do listen but most just say that's not how name the TV hunter does it or magazine said to do it or just say I am doing ok or just fine .The ones that do want to learn seem to have long years of fun and success the others not so much. I have seen this with more than just myself but played over and over with other seasoned hunters in this state . I guess that's just life in todays world .
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Post by greghopper on Feb 8, 2015 21:50:05 GMT -5
You're basing much of your argument off 1 idiot that got lost in Hoosier national, without a flashlight mind you. You can't fix stupid no matter what the age. Be that as it may, he is not the first person to get lost in big woods and won't be the last. You don't seem to mention why these guys you have to help need help. Maybe they weren't fortunate enough to grow up hunting. Maybe they didn't have someone patient enough to teach them. Whatever the reason, if people with the knowledge don't take the time to teach instead of just complaining then many aspects of our hunting heritage will die. It's the job of people with knowledge to pass it on no matter what the age. Well said..... Good on you!!!
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Post by jessie on Feb 18, 2015 19:26:01 GMT -5
How would me and a buddy be able to be shown the best way to locate deer
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Post by BOWn Hunter on Feb 19, 2015 7:58:49 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think all food plots and game cameras require "less" strategy but rather a different kind of strategic thought process as in "How can I create something to bring deer where I want them, and what can I do to make these deer come out in the daylight that I see on the camera at night?" Well said and I agree. The fact that we're young doesn't mean we have lack of knowledge in woodsmanship. We've just found new ways of doing things. We still follow the same signs you older hunters do. We still find the trails, rubs, scrapes, bedding areas, feeding areas, ect. and that's how we base where to put said cameras and plots. I personally don't do food plots. I may throw out salt blocks here or there but I never have used food plots. And for the camera, it's not doing my scouting for me. I do the scouting and based on the knowledge gathered from that I set up a camera. All my camera is telling me is who is where and when they're there. Before I started using cameras, I would get up for almost a month before the season and sit my stand for a couple hours in the morning or evening to see who was where and when. But being "young" and also a sports coach, I don't have the time to do that anymore, which is where said camera comes into play. It's not a lack of knowledge or woodsmanship by any means. It's just a newer way to go about it.
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Post by bartiks on Feb 22, 2015 12:54:41 GMT -5
How would me and a buddy be able to be shown the best way to locate deer Jessie, No offense but locating deer isn't something that can just be taught in one particular "class" as you may. There are multiple different scenario's out in the real world; what type of woods you are in, along with what time of year, weather patterns and the like. My suggestion is get to "falling in love with the outdoors", if you haven't already. Get a feel for the woods you are hunting, listening to the woods, try getting out there early on a couple of occasions. You also might want to think about stalking. After a few days/weeks of this you will be able to start telling where the hot spots are at and where the best location to hunt from would be.
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Post by chriskline on Feb 23, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
How would me and a buddy be able to be shown the best way to locate deer Jessie, No offense but locating deer isn't something that can just be taught in one particular "class" as you may. There are multiple different scenario's out in the real world; what type of woods you are in, along with what time of year, weather patterns and the like. My suggestion is get to "falling in love with the outdoors", if you haven't already. Get a feel for the woods you are hunting, listening to the woods, try getting out there early on a couple of occasions. You also might want to think about stalking. After a few days/weeks of this you will be able to start telling where the hot spots are at and where the best location to hunt from would be. THIS When i first moved to Indiana a couple years ago i knew nothing of the areas i was hunting in (crane and hoosier national) other than a tip or 2 someone relayed. My approach was pretty simple. I looked at some maps (google, google earth, terrain maps if available online) just to get a good mental picture of the area. creek bed here, stand of pines there, clearing over there, ridge between creeks etc etc. then the first few times i was out, i just did some stalking/still hunting around the woods following the points i memorized, gradually increasing in the ammount of terrain and distance from my parking spot. after a few weekends of that, looking for signs, kicking deer up, i had a pretty good idea of where the "hotspots" were, where deer were going to be when, and their preferred routes. And having a decent compass or even a gps app for your phone really comes in handy. to the original point of the post, growing up and hunting in western new york starting in the late 80s, my dad did teach me quite a bit about HOW to hunt, but a lot of the time it was "sit here and watch that way" lol. He taught me how to look for runs and scrapes and rubs, and how to keep a sense of direction in the woods, but to be honest i never really had to ACTUALLY do it, because he was always in the woods with me. Wasnt until i moved here i got to put the teaching to use and practice. And i'm still learning how to hunt i guess you could say, i suppose when the day comes i know it all it wont be fun anymore...
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Post by swilk on Feb 23, 2015 15:35:07 GMT -5
Woodsmanship ... hunting prowess .... not something that automatically comes with age or automatically came with growing up in a different era.
I know guys my dads age that have been hunting their whole lives who, if it werent for luck, would never kill a deer. On the opposite side of that coin I know younger hunters who can hunt / trap with the best of them.
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