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Post by jjas on Feb 1, 2015 14:36:11 GMT -5
The New Hampshire Game and Fish Department held a public meeting on Thursday to discuss a possible ban on certain devices’ use in hunting, including live-action trail cameras, drones, and “guided” rifles. According to the agency, there are concerns in the sporting community that these emerging technologies could violate the principles of fair chase.
“We need to establish rules regarding these fast-changing technologies to make sure that people understand that their use for hunting is not appropriate or ethical,” said New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Law Enforcement Chief Martin Garabedian in a press release. “Use of this equipment violates the principle of fair chase because it gives hunters an unfair advantage over wildlife.”
Specifically, the department is considering banning:
The use of live-action trail cameras, or cameras that can transmit footage instantaneously to smartphones or computers. Critics of these devices say that they could be used to locate wildlife much faster than cameras with footage that has to be physically retrieved.
The use of “smart” or “guided” rifles, firearms that contain an on-board computer that is capable of tracking wildlife, can adjust for environmental factors, and/or fires automatically. Critics argue that these weapons give hunters an unfair advantage over wildlife.
The use of an unmanned aerial vehicle (also commonly called a drone) to aid in harvesting game animals. Several other states have already banned the use of drones in hunting.
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Post by throbak on Feb 1, 2015 14:41:20 GMT -5
Violating the ethics of Fair chance describes the Fight Indiana is having NOW with canned hunting we need to stop this first IMO
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Post by jjas on Feb 1, 2015 14:54:08 GMT -5
Violating the ethics of Fair chance describes the Fight Indiana is having NOW with canned hunting we need to stop this first IMO If Indiana had stopped canned hunting when it began we wouldn't be trying to close the barn door after the fact....... In other words....it's easier to stop it @ the beginning than trying to stop it later. |
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Post by span870 on Feb 1, 2015 18:24:24 GMT -5
The problem you have is describing fair chase. That's a moral issue that can't be defined across the board. Some feel that high power rifles aren't fair chase. Some feel baiting isn't. High fence the same. As with all laws I feel Indiana should take a vote on what it's residents want. If Indiana residents want them then okay. What you feel isn't moral or fair chase the next guy might be okay with.
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Post by chubwub on Feb 1, 2015 19:07:35 GMT -5
The game camera one is stupid. I can plug the SD card into my phone in the field instantly and have practically the same effect. The ones that wirelessly transmit just happen to save you gas money. I suppose if you were sitting in an area and had your cell text you that a deer just passed by it might give you an edge buuuuut a buddy sitting on the other side of the woods with a cell phone or walkie works just as well.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 1, 2015 19:24:52 GMT -5
The problem you have is describing fair chase. That's a moral issue that can't be defined across the board. Some feel that high power rifles aren't fair chase. Some feel baiting isn't. High fence the same. As with all laws I feel Indiana should take a vote on what it's residents want. If Indiana residents want them then okay. What you feel isn't moral or fair chase the next guy might be okay with. MAYBE having licensed active hunters vote, but not all residents. That would be handing whether or not we even get to hunt over to the anti hunting groups. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2015 19:40:02 GMT -5
The problem you have is describing fair chase. That's a moral issue that can't be defined across the board. Some feel that high power rifles aren't fair chase. Some feel baiting isn't. High fence the same. As with all laws I feel Indiana should take a vote on what it's residents want. If Indiana residents want them then okay. What you feel isn't moral or fair chase the next guy might be okay with. MAYBE having licensed active hunters vote, but not all residents. That would be handing whether or not we even get to hunt over to the anti hunting groups. Good Luck with that...Hunters don't own the WILDLIFE!!! |
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Post by shouldernuke on Feb 1, 2015 19:45:20 GMT -5
actually once we allow anyone else or a gov agency the ability to set in place any moral or ethics laws we just entered that slippery slope to having nothing and doing only what the gov or others will allow us. Before long it will be other things in our life like what time we all have to turn out our lights and go to bed what we are allowed to eat or drink what we must or must not drive .Where we are allowed to drive or do on Sundays .
I think anyone who wants any type of ethics or morals votes or laws may need to have their head opened up and adjusted a little .Indiana seems to have more than its share of feel good big gov over reaching law pushing nibbing meddlers now days just saying
This slippery slope we are on now may just end hunting and any sort of personal freedoms we "MAY" or may not actually have now.SMH at some people .
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Post by jjas on Feb 1, 2015 20:32:10 GMT -5
The game camera one is stupid. I can plug the SD card into my phone in the field instantly and have practically the same effect. The ones that wirelessly transmit just happen to save you gas money. I suppose if you were sitting in an area and had your cell text you that a deer just passed by it might give you an edge buuuuut a buddy sitting on the other side of the woods with a cell phone or walkie works just as well. A few points..... 1. Yes, you can plug your card into your phone when you check the camera, but that information isn't delivered in "real time". 2. There was a case that a person relayed the season before this one where he was either sitting in or going to a stand on his hunting property when he received a call from his camera. It had picked up a buck moving through an area close by. He moved to stand he had near the area and killed the deer. So it can happen. 3. I don't know if it still is, but I believe @ one time it was illegal to alert a fellow hunter via walkie talkie or cell phone about deer movement. |
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Post by span870 on Feb 1, 2015 21:12:18 GMT -5
The problem you have is describing fair chase. That's a moral issue that can't be defined across the board. Some feel that high power rifles aren't fair chase. Some feel baiting isn't. High fence the same. As with all laws I feel Indiana should take a vote on what it's residents want. If Indiana residents want them then okay. What you feel isn't moral or fair chase the next guy might be okay with. MAYBE having licensed active hunters vote, but not all residents. That would be handing whether or not we even get to hunt over to the anti hunting groups. Have no problem letting anti hunters or whomever vote. We the people... I am a firm believer any law congress or even the DNR wants to push should be voted on by all in the state it effects. To impose restrictions on game laws would be the same as not allowing someone to vote on alcohol laws or smoking laws because they do neither. Still I'll go back to these are moral problems. One mans ethics is another's sin. |
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Post by js2397 on Feb 1, 2015 21:18:08 GMT -5
The game camera one is stupid. I can plug the SD card into my phone in the field instantly and have practically the same effect. The ones that wirelessly transmit just happen to save you gas money. I suppose if you were sitting in an area and had your cell text you that a deer just passed by it might give you an edge buuuuut a buddy sitting on the other side of the woods with a cell phone or walkie works just as well. 3. I don't know if it still is, but I believe @ one time it was illegal to alert a fellow hunter via walkie talkie or cell phone about deer movement. Don't think this was ever an Indiana law but it was in Minnesota I believe. |
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Post by chubwub on Feb 1, 2015 21:44:04 GMT -5
I am aware it is illegal in some states to use a cell phone to aid in taking game.
Good luck trying to prove it was actually used for taking of game, unless the CO is stalking you close enough to hear your conversation or tapping your cell phone, which would require a warrant. Furthermore if you spoke in "code" that would confuse things even further.
For me it's another one of those ambiguous laws that really doesn't do anything effective except inconvience law abiding hunters.
I guess I view the "real time" game cameras like a trap. They are very effective but the animal still has to walk exactly in that spot in order for it to work.
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Post by jjas on Feb 1, 2015 22:21:36 GMT -5
Chubwub
"A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact."
Aldo Leopold
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Post by windingwinds on Feb 1, 2015 22:38:54 GMT -5
Drones need regulated. We don't need anymore invasion of privacy than we already have. I don't see exactly how a game camera gives a hunter that much more advantage. There is still scent control and you actually have to be in the woods to get the deer. There are too many variables to call that a sure thing. Sounds maybe a bit lazy, but if I went out in woods after a game camera notified me of a deer I can almost guarantee that deer would be gone. A game camera that expensive isn't in my budget, and I feel it's of questionable value anyways.
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Post by windingwinds on Feb 1, 2015 22:40:01 GMT -5
The game camera sending instant pictures of trespassers would be of much more value, imo.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 2, 2015 13:08:31 GMT -5
Personally I use my trail cams pre season and post season and pull them during hunting season. JMO but wouldn't bother me if couldn't use during season.
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Post by ridgerunner on Feb 2, 2015 19:31:46 GMT -5
The problem you have is describing fair chase. That's a moral issue that can't be defined across the board. Some feel that high power rifles aren't fair chase. Some feel baiting isn't. High fence the same. As with all laws I feel Indiana should take a vote on what it's residents want. If Indiana residents want them then okay. What you feel isn't moral or fair chase the next guy might be okay with. True..it's hard to Legislate morality. |
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Post by drs on Feb 3, 2015 5:49:55 GMT -5
Personally, I don't use for my Deer Hunting:
1. trail cams
2. Deer calls of any type.
3. Nor do I bait Deer during the hunting season. Even though it is legal here in Kentucky, but I find it unethical.
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 3, 2015 9:40:07 GMT -5
3. I don't know if it still is, but I believe @ one time it was illegal to alert a fellow hunter via walkie talkie or cell phone about deer movement. Don't think this was ever an Indiana law but it was in Minnesota I believe. Used to be in the Regs book that was published every year. Don't know if it was an actual Indiana Code or not though. I have not seen it mentioned in the last few Regs books. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 3, 2015 9:43:36 GMT -5
Don't think this was ever an Indiana law but it was in Minnesota I believe. Used to be in the Regs book that was published every year. Don't know if it was an actual Indiana Code or not though. I have not seen it mentioned in the last few Regs books. I don't ever recall it being in any rule book. LOTS of hunters thought it was though. |
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