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Post by span870 on Feb 18, 2015 9:58:15 GMT -5
Why are we not allowed to kill hawks and owls? I as losing rabbits hand over fist in my pen from them. Had four big red tails surrounding it couple of days ago. Got the bottle rockets out but really wanted to grab the .17. I know DDT killed a bunch off in the 70's and 80's but their numbers have rebounded more than enough to allow killing them in the case of livestock killing without jumping through the fed hoop to attempt to get a permit that they never give out anyway. Indiana already jumping on bobcat hunting but I assure you there are way more hawks and owls than bobcats.
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Post by Boilermaker on Feb 18, 2015 10:21:24 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more, it'll never happen though.
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Post by drs on Feb 18, 2015 10:28:59 GMT -5
ALL Birds-Of-Prey are federally protected. <Period>
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Post by span870 on Feb 18, 2015 10:49:47 GMT -5
I understand that but I think its time they need to be thinned. Weren't wolves federally protected then turned over to the states. I suppose if they were killing money animals to the states like deer or elk we would wage war on them. Seems no one cares about protecting anything but animals that being big money to the states.
Just found another that looks like owl got it. Everything eaten but the guts.
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Post by drs on Feb 18, 2015 12:22:02 GMT -5
I understand that but I think its time they need to be thinned. Weren't wolves federally protected then turned over to the states. I suppose if they were killing money animals to the states like deer or elk we would wage war on them. Seems no one cares about protecting anything but animals that being big money to the states. Just found another that looks like owl got it. Everything eaten but the guts. I see your point. |
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 18, 2015 12:26:16 GMT -5
When I had a pen full of Chuckars. I had plenty of hawks around also.
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Post by scrub-buster on Feb 18, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
You can't even possess a feather from a bird of prey. I doubt you will be able to kill one any time soon
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Post by chubwub on Feb 18, 2015 15:41:14 GMT -5
You have a point. Heck, in some states they even allow a little sandhill crane and swan hunting.
People get too butthurt about raptors being anything but majestic and sacred I guess.
We should all be very thankful that the turkey wasn't made the national bird, otherwise we probably wouldn't be able to kill those either.
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Post by Boilermaker on Feb 18, 2015 16:19:41 GMT -5
A few years ago it was almost comical to watch the red-tails swoop down and nail the neighbors little white puffy chickens. You could drive by on a daily basis and see the group getting smaller.
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Post by span870 on Feb 18, 2015 16:20:18 GMT -5
You can't even possess a feather from a bird of prey. I doubt you will be able to kill one any time soon Oh you can get a permit to kill them, "wink wink". I checked into it. Jump through three hoops, half a pint of blood, and your first born. That's just for the application. Then wait an infinite amount of time, then get denied. Know of several running pens that guys own and they have no problems. Of course they keep a .22 handy. Just can bring myself to do it illegally. I know silver creek beagle club got hit with a $10,000 fine. They were putting traps on top of poles. Problem they ran into was they left the hawk hanging off the pole. F&W officer showed up and one was hanging from the pole flopping away. I would guess I've lost several thousand in rabbits and lost revenue by not being able to keep rabbits in there to start dogs and loss of rabbits I'm stocking it with. I remember back in the 70's Pennsylvania had a hawk season. After the DDT issues they closed it down. Back then they small game numbers were unreal. |
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Post by throbak on Feb 18, 2015 19:10:55 GMT -5
Are they wild rabbits ? Sounds like the hawks have found easy Pickens Make it harder for them by adding better cover might help lack of cover is most wild games issue
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Post by trophyparadise on Mar 4, 2015 13:47:29 GMT -5
I feel your pain. I raise chickens....I'm in the same boat Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" www.facebook.com/trophyparadise |
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Post by parrothead on Mar 4, 2015 14:11:02 GMT -5
I had to put a fence over the top of my fence to keep the hawk out. I was also having the same problem with black headed buzzards.
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Post by maddog on Mar 4, 2015 17:48:34 GMT -5
OK boys, leave me out of this, but there is a solution, SSS, Shoot, Shovel, Shutup, don't even post about it. Stay off facebook, twitter, etc. If ya can't figure this out, then let the raptors eat the critters.....
maddog
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Post by nfalls116 on Mar 4, 2015 21:04:05 GMT -5
Saw where they used clothesline to make a top of a chicken run once other than that netting over the top dogs don't need that much height to run
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Post by span870 on Mar 4, 2015 21:35:28 GMT -5
Saw where they used clothesline to make a top of a chicken run once other than that netting over the top dogs don't need that much height to run Be great but 10 acres of netting cost me a fortune. Think I found a solution. Been feeding corn pretty heavy. Corn brings birds. Feel sorry for them but man do I have piles of feathers in the pen. They seem to prefer cardinals. |
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Post by span870 on Mar 4, 2015 21:36:28 GMT -5
OK boys, leave me out of this, but there is a solution, SSS, Shoot, Shovel, Shutup, don't even post about it. Stay off facebook, twitter, etc. If ya can't figure this out, then let the raptors eat the critters..... maddog No different than poaching a deer. I don't break game laws, no matter the law. |
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 5, 2015 7:40:24 GMT -5
There are plenty of hawks and there are plenty of people with chickens. Some of those people kill the hawks because the hawks are killing the chickens. At least that is what hear.
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Post by nfalls116 on Mar 5, 2015 9:05:30 GMT -5
10 acres of netting might be a touch expensive and a big pain to stretch tight
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 5, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -5
While they are destructive toward livestock, the probable reason for the explosion in their numbers is far more likely linked to their protected status, as well as the explosion of populations in the other critters they eat such as squirrels and wild rabbits. They eat skunks and possums too, which are both in high numbers since most folks don't hunt them to control their numbers.
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