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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2015 16:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Feb 24, 2015 17:36:35 GMT -5
Now is time to get him out of office before he succeeds in doing something this stupid in the future.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 24, 2015 20:13:27 GMT -5
Good
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 25, 2015 7:50:08 GMT -5
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Post by chubwub on Feb 25, 2015 9:25:32 GMT -5
FWP wardens are under pressure to write citations and get convictions, Marbut said. “Under that pressure, it’s so much easier for wardens to make their numbers by writing citations to some usually law-abiding hunter for not dotting some “i” or crossing some “t,” Marbut said. “What that results in is wardens spending a disproportionate amount of their effort writing citations over trivial mistakes, which harasses a lot of hunters.” I seem to have identified the culprit. I didn't realize that they still make law enforcement do this kind of crappy numbers game. Nobody wins when law enforcement have to have quotas and honestly, I am not sure what benefit there is to harassing hunters for technicalities to the point that they just feel that these kinds of bills need to be put forward. It just makes me eyeroll and sigh when people want to just parrot "WELL THE LAW IS THE LAW!!!" Ok buddy, let's see how you feel about that when you get the same kind of treatment as that poor dude that got his elk confiscated, meat taken away and never returned because he didn't put a tag on the elk fast enough for some CO on a TV shows before he moved it. I certainly would be upset and devastated to have that happen to me and probably would never hunt again. Does anyone know if Indiana CO's have to make quotas as well?
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Post by featherduster on Feb 25, 2015 10:12:56 GMT -5
They are not called quotas they are called goals and goals must be met in order to obtain a good review and good reviews are needed to obtain other career goals.
Numbers are what make the world go around.
BTW the CO's didn't create these laws they only enforce them so they can meet their goals.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 25, 2015 10:27:16 GMT -5
A rose is a rose and all that
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Post by chubwub on Feb 25, 2015 11:14:20 GMT -5
They are not called quotas they are called goals and goals must be met in order to obtain a good review and good reviews are needed to obtain other career goals. Numbers are what make the world go around. BTW the CO's didn't create these laws they only enforce them so they can meet their goals. This sounds like the exact same thing as quotas. Forgive me if I've misunderstood this as dry humor. Sounds like a crappy system to me. The more I come to understand how all this functions, the less I like. I'm starting to feel like maybe there is no place for me in this hunting community. You start to ask uncomfortable questions and people give you robotic answers or talk about how they are just following orders. So law enforcement is all about making numbers and not about justice or morals?
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Post by featherduster on Feb 25, 2015 12:05:50 GMT -5
chubwub said: So law enforcement is all about making numbers and not about justice or morals?
That goes along with the numbers or goals.
Folks who complain about CO's doing their job is why we need to have written test pertaining to all the fishing and hunting laws before you can obtain a license, same as a drivers license.
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Post by chubwub on Feb 25, 2015 12:17:30 GMT -5
I thought that was the point of the hunter safety class I took?
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Post by firstwd on Feb 25, 2015 21:14:49 GMT -5
I thought that was the point of the hunter safety class I took? No where close. If we were to cover and test all laws the class would take at least 100 hours and would need repeated every year or two.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Feb 26, 2015 8:06:39 GMT -5
I am glad that the bill didn't pass. We have a close working relationship with our CO's in Jasper (and surrounding) Co. They have backed me up on all sorts of details weather it was simple ATV complaints, DUI's, and domestics disputes. Not to mention that they go through a very intense conservation recruit school along with the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy. I've seen them right their fair share of citations but, I have seen them give more brakes, or warnings, then anything. Sometimes the hand strikes, and sometimes it gives a flower....
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Post by 36fan on Feb 28, 2015 17:34:55 GMT -5
Under Mitch's reign, he implemented "pay for performance" at the state. Everyone is ranked as "exceeds expectations", "meets expectations", "needs improvement", and a very rare "outstanding". While on the surface this sounds legit, it is actually a bass ackwards way of doings things. It's a quantitative scoring system, not a qualitative. Now it's all about numbers. Only so many can "exceed", and upper management has come back told the supervisors they have to change the ranks, scoring personal lower.
...and Pence has kept up the system.
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Post by chubwub on Feb 28, 2015 21:13:40 GMT -5
Under Mitch's reign, he implemented "pay for performance" at the state. Everyone is ranked as "exceeds expectations", "meets expectations", "needs improvement", and a very rare "outstanding". While on the surface this sounds legit, it is actually a bass ackwards way of doings things. It's a quantitative scoring system, not a qualitative. Now it's all about numbers. Only so many can "exceed", and upper management has come back told the supervisors they have to change the ranks, scoring personal lower. ...and Pence has kept up the system. I have had the displeasure of working under such a system briefly in a CRO. Basically it was "10 strikes and you are out" per year added to that performance nonsense.The problem was that they didn't differentiate between trivial mistakes that didn't amount to a hill of beans and major things that jeopardized the entire project. They had/have an extremely high turnover rate in their ranks and wonder why. Heaven forbid all your employees have excellent performance, lol.
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