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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 4, 2015 11:10:42 GMT -5
The leader of the Indiana Senate said Wednesday that a bill to legalize and regulate fenced deer hunting will remain in the rules committee he controls until the GOP caucus finds a solution “that’s fair and reasonable.” www.ibj.com/articles/51992-senate-leader-puts-fenced-hunting-bill-on-holdIf you have input on this bill I suggest that you make it know to Senator Long as soon as possible.. Senator.Long@iga.in.gov |
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 10, 2015 18:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 11, 2015 22:09:57 GMT -5
I'll never understand why this atrocity is permitted to continue. The public overwhelmingly hates the concept, the vast majority of hunters oppose it, it has been proven to increase the risk of CWD in the wild, and is a hotbed of criminal activity. The Bellar debacle was only the tip of the iceberg, lord only knows what the surviving ones have perpetrated.
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Post by hunterman on Mar 11, 2015 22:29:56 GMT -5
I'll never understand why this atrocity is permitted to continue. The public overwhelmingly hates the concept, the vast majority of hunters oppose it, it has been proven to increase the risk of CWD in the wild, and is a hotbed of criminal activity. The Bellar debacle was only the tip of the iceberg, lord only knows what the surviving ones have perpetrated. Kevin- Your analogy is totally false. The public and sportsmen support huning preserves and that is why they exist cause they are in so much demand. Absolutely no proven risk to increase CWD either, that is totally fabricated. The Indy Hunting expo was a prime example, there was a high fence guy there giving away a free high fence hunt and had thousands of people sign up and thousands more got tired of waiting in line. Another group was there offering a petition to ban high fence hunting and didn't get enough signatures to fill a page. Hunting is a big industry and doesn't always evolve around your personal view. The facts prove otherwise. |
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Post by drs on Mar 12, 2015 4:19:17 GMT -5
I'll never understand why this atrocity is permitted to continue. The public overwhelmingly hates the concept, the vast majority of hunters oppose it, it has been proven to increase the risk of CWD in the wild, and is a hotbed of criminal activity. The Bellar debacle was only the tip of the iceberg, lord only knows what the surviving ones have perpetrated. Kevin- Your analogy is totally false. The public and sportsmen support huning preserves and that is why they exist cause they are in so much demand. Absolutely no proven risk to increase CWD either, that is totally fabricated. The Indy Hunting expo was a prime example, there was a high fence guy there giving away a free high fence hunt and had thousands of people sign up and thousands more got tired of waiting in line. Another group was there offering a petition to ban high fence hunting and didn't get enough signatures to fill a page. Hunting is a big industry and doesn't always evolve around your personal view. The facts prove otherwise.
Is pretty much the opinion of vast majority of SPORT HUNTERS. Not your's. What "facts", you are posting in your reply is, for the most part is fabricated.  |
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Post by hunterman on Mar 12, 2015 8:36:58 GMT -5
DRS- Again you post your personal opinion but have nothing to back it up. Every statement I made is supported by facts and reality. The Indy Expo just happened and was witnessed by googles of people. Supporters of the industry include the largest hunting organization in the world, Farm Bureau, NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business). the NRA and the majority of every day sportsmen. So that leaves PETA, Elitist Hunters(only out for themselves) and small special interest groups to fight against different aspects of hunting.
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Post by drs on Mar 12, 2015 9:38:26 GMT -5
DRS- Again you post your personal opinion but have nothing to back it up. Every statement I made is supported by facts and reality. The Indy Expo just happened and was witnessed by googles of people. Supporters of the industry include the largest hunting organization in the world, Farm Bureau, NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business). the NRA and the majority of every day sportsmen. So that leaves PETA, Elitist Hunters(only out for themselves) and small special interest groups to fight against different aspects of hunting. I posted that I was in agreement with What Kevin1 posted. I don't believe anyone here cares all that much about your opinions on "Fenced Hunting". I am VERY HAPPY that the bill has been placed on HOLD. Fenced Hunting will only do damage and not benefit anything in the realm of Sport Hunting. |
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 13, 2015 19:01:38 GMT -5
please dont call it fenced "hunting", it is anything but.
shooting pen, caged killing, pic-n-shoot are acceptable and accurate monikers
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Post by Ahawkeye on Mar 13, 2015 22:42:37 GMT -5
I agree with Kevin, DRS and Trapperdave. There is no good that can come of these so called preserves. We have enough problems with EHD we don't need a hot bed for deer sicknesses like CWD. Western states have been fighting this for a long time we don't need it here. It's the equivalent to moving firewood too far from one place to another it's just a matter of time before you move an emerald ash borer where it shouldn't belong.
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Post by drs on Mar 14, 2015 4:07:07 GMT -5
please dont call it fenced "hunting", it is anything but. shooting pen, caged killing, pic-n-shoot are acceptable and accurate monikers Also, those who support and participate, are NOT true Sportsmen. Those individuals know nothing about hunting skills, so they must participate in these facilities to bag a Deer within a shooting pen, that was released from a pin. They might as well pay "Farmer Brown" down the road money to shoot a Angus Steer. They are NOT true Hunters, but rather "Shooters" of pin-in animals. |
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Post by onebentarrow on Mar 14, 2015 13:16:10 GMT -5
please dont call it fenced "hunting", it is anything but. shooting pen, caged killing, pic-n-shoot are acceptable and accurate monikers Also, those who support and participate, are NOT true Sportsmen. Those individuals know nothing about hunting skills, so they must participate in these facilities to bag a Deer within a shooting pen, that was released from a pin. They might as well pay "Farmer Brown" down the road money to shoot a Angus Steer. They are NOT true Hunters, but rather "Shooters" of pin-in animals. I take ofence that you lump all who have hunted high fence in to a group that are not sportsman or have no hunting skills as I have hunted them my self. I have hunted "fair chase" for years and dune well by most standards.i have also hunted high fence and I know in that situation I do have an advantage but to say I am unsportsmanlike is wrong. I still have ethics,I still do not take hope I hit them shots,I still RESPECT the game I am hunting,I am still ME when I am there. I will tell everyone that sees my mounts that they were high fence,I am not ashamed. I did not go to get some thing to show "what a great hunter or man I am" I went cause I enjoy being out side and it gave me the opportunity to hunt when I could not go here. Just because you do not see things in the same light as I do I do not put you in a group of SNOB hunters or degrade you. As a matter of fact there is a good chance we could be friends as I am passionate about hunting and the ethics behind it. Are there problems with some high fence operations? Heck yes! As there are problems with a portion of every business type. But to just throw all and everyone in the same group is dead wrong Onebentarrow |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 14, 2015 14:54:34 GMT -5
Also, those who support and participate, are NOT true Sportsmen. Those individuals know nothing about hunting skills, so they must participate in these facilities to bag a Deer within a shooting pen, that was released from a pin. They might as well pay "Farmer Brown" down the road money to shoot a Angus Steer. They are NOT true Hunters, but rather "Shooters" of pin-in animals. I take ofence that you lump all who have hunted high fence in to a group that are not sportsman or have no hunting skills as I have hunted them my self. I have hunted "fair chase" for years and dune well by most standards.i have also hunted high fence and I know in that situation I do have an advantage but to say I am unsportsmanlike is wrong. I still have ethics,I still do not take hope I hit them shots,I still RESPECT the game I am hunting,I am still ME when I am there. I will tell everyone that sees my mounts that they were high fence,I am not ashamed. I did not go to get some thing to show "what a great hunter or man I am" I went cause I enjoy being out side and it gave me the opportunity to hunt when I could not go here. Just because you do not see things in the same light as I do I do not put you in a group of SNOB hunters or degrade you. As a matter of fact there is a good chance we could be friends as I am passionate about hunting and the ethics behind it. Are there problems with some high fence operations? Heck yes! As there are problems with a portion of every business type. But to just throw all and everyone in the same group is dead wrong Onebentarrow What was your succes rate when you hunted high fence?? |
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Post by throbak on Mar 14, 2015 17:48:17 GMT -5
High Fence you Pay To KILL you dont pay to Hunt and if you participate in both you are part of the problem with a ego driven need to KILL not HUNT and who is to say all the people signing up were sportsmen that came to be part of a freebee canned hunt they just used the IDHA,s following and draw to capitalize on. I Know a lot of sportsmen there and NOT A ONE OF MY FRIENDS SIGNED UP or they would not be my friends long
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Post by onebentarrow on Mar 14, 2015 19:30:41 GMT -5
High Fence you Pay To KILL you dont pay to Hunt and if you participate in both you are part of the problem with a ego driven need to KILL not HUNT and who is to say all the people signing up were sportsmen that came to be part of a freebee canned hunt they just used the IDHA,s following and draw to capitalize on. I Know a lot of sportsmen there and NOT A ONE OF MY FRIENDS SIGNED UP or they would not be my friends long [br Well I guess we won't be friends. I do not have an ego to kill. It gave me a purpose to get out and away. I put meat in the freezer. I enjoyed myself. On a couple of the places I had to acculy hunt for what I went for, believe it or not. I did not say ALL people that go high fence are sportsmen, all people that hunt fair chase are not sportsmen either,I just said that to put all people into the same group because they do is wrong. Please note I do not have any animoniceys toward you or any one else that feels that high fence is wrong. I am glad you are passionate about what you believe but to make a statement about what I think or how I am with out knowing me makes me think you judge people (ME) on your opinion not on facts. About the success % it was 100 % I was told that is what it could be befor I left but did not have to be. That is why I went. I have killed a hog,angora goat and a ram in TN,a hog in KY,a hog and follow deer in OH , 2 bucks and a doe in MO and an elk in IN. Some places were better than others. Some places I would go again some I would not. Just like the free range guided hunts I been on some I would go again some I would not. I have no problem excepting high fence for what they are, a place to recreate with friends/family,be outdoors,obtain meat for the freezer(of which I Butcher my self) and a head for the wall I would not be able to obtain (some incidents) any other way. |
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 14, 2015 19:36:26 GMT -5
To those of you who called what I posted false, and just my opinion:
I have personally sat in several NRC meetings when the Bellar incident was still fresh, which is more than some of you can say. Raporter, Jack Ryan, and I actually ate lunch with Chuck Bellar, son of Russ Bellar, at the Spring Mill meeting. Woody was at the meeting too, as were others posting on this thread, so that is a fact. A lot of information was revealed at those meetings, and in the weeks following them. For probably the first time the microscope was on the canned ranches, and everything I said was revealed to be true, resulting in IDNR trying to shut them down, which is a fact. The only reason the four remaining ones are still open is their attorneys tying up the IDNR order in the courts, otherwise they would be extinct here, that is a fact. In a poll conducted by the Indy Star the opposition to them by the public was 85%, their own records will bear this out, so that is also a fact. In polls and public input requests IDNR got nearly the same result, their records are public, and bear this claim out as well, so this too is a fact. Calling me a liar is the province of cowards, I stand by my post.
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Post by drs on Mar 15, 2015 4:43:44 GMT -5
Also, those who support and participate, are NOT true Sportsmen. Those individuals know nothing about hunting skills, so they must participate in these facilities to bag a Deer within a shooting pen, that was released from a pin. They might as well pay "Farmer Brown" down the road money to shoot a Angus Steer. They are NOT true Hunters, but rather "Shooters" of pin-in animals. I will tell everyone that sees my mounts that they were high fence,I am not ashamed. I did not go to get some thing to show "what a great hunter or man I am" I went cause I enjoy being out side and it gave me the opportunity to hunt when I could not go here. Just because you do not see things in the same light as I do I do not put you in a group of SNOB hunters or degrade you. As a matter of fact there is a good chance we could be friends as I am passionate about hunting and the ethics behind it. Are there problems with some high fence operations? Heck yes! As there are problems with a portion of every business type. But to just throw all and everyone in the same group is dead wrong Onebentarrow I knew I was going to "step on a few toes" when I posted a response to this thread. Onebentarrow, I am sorry if I offended you; but I was referring to those "want-to-be" Hunters that exclusively hunt these fenced facilities. While I never once hunted such facilities and never will. However, your hunting a fenced hunting preserve should make you and others aware how much different and fenced hunting is and not as sporting (Fair Chase) hunting, by any means. Also, glad you don't see me as a SNOB Hunter and yes we can still be friends & fellow Sportsmen. |
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Post by onebentarrow on Mar 15, 2015 9:42:28 GMT -5
I take ofence that you lump all who have hunted high fence in to a group that are not sportsman or have no hunting skills as I have hunted them my self. I have hunted "fair chase" for years and dune well by most standards.i have also hunted high fence and I know in that situation I do have an advantage but to say I am unsportsmanlike is wrong. I still have ethics,I still do not take hope I hit them shots,I still RESPECT the game I am hunting,I am still ME when I am there.I will tell everyone that sees my mounts that they were high fence,I am not ashamed. I did not go to get some thing to show "what a great hunter or man I am" I went cause I enjoy being out side and it gave me the opportunity to hunt when I could not go here. Just because you do not see things in the same light as I do I do not put you in a group of SNOB hunters or degrade you. As a matter of fact there is a good chance we could be friends as I am passionate about hunting and the ethics behind it. Are there problems with some high fence operations? Heck yes! As there are problems with a portion of every business type. But to just throw all and everyone in the same group is dead wrong Onebentarrow I knew I was going to "step on a few toes" when I posted a response to this thread. Onebentarrow, I am sorry if I offended you; but I was referring to those "want-to-be" Hunters that exclusively hunt these fenced facilities. While I never once hunted such facilities and never will. However, your hunting a fenced hunting preserve should make you and others aware how much different and fenced hunting is and not as sporting (Fair Chase) hunting, by any means. Also, glad you don't see me as a SNOB Hunter and yes we can still be friends & fellow Sportsmen. As some one that has participate in high fence I will admit some are not much fair chase (those are the ones I would not go back to) but some are huge and just as fair chase an u can get with animals that are just as apprehensive as ones on the out side. Those places u must be just as stealthy as on the out side. Yes the chance of success is greater but so is a guided fair Chase hunt. They are managed for this and if either is not they would not be in business. I do feel there is a potential for problems in them but when u think of all the deer products bottled and sold from deer farms that are imported and said to be able to contain diseases is just as great of danger. Maby some day we can meet and talk hunting as friends and sportsmen Thank you for your response Onebentarrow |
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Post by drs on Mar 15, 2015 9:46:40 GMT -5
I knew I was going to "step on a few toes" when I posted a response to this thread. Onebentarrow, I am sorry if I offended you; but I was referring to those "want-to-be" Hunters that exclusively hunt these fenced facilities. While I never once hunted such facilities and never will. However, your hunting a fenced hunting preserve should make you and others aware how much different and fenced hunting is and not as sporting (Fair Chase) hunting, by any means. Also, glad you don't see me as a SNOB Hunter and yes we can still be friends & fellow Sportsmen. As some one that has participate in high fence I will admit some are not much fair chase (those are the ones I would not go back to) but some are huge and just as fair chase an u can get with animals that are just as apprehensive as ones on the out side. Those places u must be just as stealthy as on the out side. Yes the chance of success is greater but so is a guided fair Chase hunt. They are managed for this and if either is not they would not be in business. I do feel there is a potential for problems in them but when u think of all the deer products bottled and sold from deer farms that are imported and said to be able to contain diseases is just as great of danger. Maby some day we can meet and talk hunting as friends and sportsmen Thank you for your responseOnebentarrow You're certainly welcome, Onebentarrow. |
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Post by onebentarrow on Mar 15, 2015 11:18:04 GMT -5
I take ofence that you lump all who have hunted high fence in to a group that are not sportsman or have no hunting skills as I have hunted them my self. I have hunted "fair chase" for years and dune well by most standards.i have also hunted high fence and I know in that situation I do have an advantage but to say I am unsportsmanlike is wrong. I still have ethics,I still do not take hope I hit them shots,I still RESPECT the game I am hunting,I am still ME when I am there.I will tell everyone that sees my mounts that they were high fence,I am not ashamed. I did not go to get some thing to show "what a great hunter or man I am" I went cause I enjoy being out side and it gave me the opportunity to hunt when I could not go here. Just because you do not see things in the same light as I do I do not put you in a group of SNOB hunters or degrade you. As a matter of fact there is a good chance we could be friends as I am passionate about hunting and the ethics behind it. Are there problems with some high fence operations? Heck yes! As there are problems with a portion of every business type. But to just throw all and everyone in the same group is dead wrong Onebentarrow I knew I was going to "step on a few toes" when I posted a response to this thread. Onebentarrow, I am sorry if I offended you; but I was referring to those "want-to-be" Hunters that exclusively hunt these fenced facilities. While I never once hunted such facilities and never will. However, your hunting a fenced hunting preserve should make you and others aware how much different and fenced hunting is and not as sporting (Fair Chase) hunting, by any means. Also, glad you don't see me as a SNOB Hunter and yes we can still be friends & fellow Sportsmen. As some one that has participate in high fence I will admit some are not much fair chase (those are the ones I would not go back to) but some are huge and just as fair chase an u can get with animals that are just as apprehensive as ones on the out side. Those places u must be just as stealthy as on the out side. Yes the chance of success is greater but so is a guided fair Chase hunt. They are managed for this and if either is not they would not be in business. I do feel there is a potential for problems in them but when u think of all the deer products bottled and sold from deer farms that are imported and said to be able to contain diseases is just as great of danger. Maby some day we can meet and talk hunting as friends and sportsmen Thank you for your response Onebentarrow |
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Post by throbak on Mar 15, 2015 16:58:26 GMT -5
Another thing to consider Indiana Farm Bureau is FOR Canned hunting.. National Wild Turkey Federation has Taken a stance AGAINST Canned hunting as has IDHA,IWF,IBA Indiana DNR .Who,s judgement do you trust I Know where I stand The seven sisters of wildlife management are against it Roosevelt saw the Problem a long time ago you can not ride the fence on this deer farm hunting issue
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