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Post by boonechaser on Mar 31, 2015 11:13:21 GMT -5
Let's face it. Up ward's of 20% plus deer killed during firearm season are killed illegally. (IMO). Visit a Rural King, Tractor Supply etc. during firearm's season and watch the deer corn, come here deer, apple supplement's etc fly off the shelves. Where is it going and what's it being used for? ? LOL, Think we all know the answer. I will respectfully disagree with baiting VS. food plot's or even hunting over a natural food source. (Oak's, fruit tree's etc)as being the same. JMO but I see baiting as a lazy person's way to attempt to harvest an animal. TMO and doubt It will ever change. For those who bait illegally now or for those who would if made legal, that is the hunter's choice. Personally the state might as well make it legal as it is already going on.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 31, 2015 11:22:40 GMT -5
Let's face it. Up ward's of 20% plus deer killed during firearm season are killed illegally. (IMO). Visit a Rural King, Tractor Supply etc. during firearm's season and watch the deer corn, come here deer, apple supplement's etc fly off the shelves. Where is it going and what's it being used for? ? LOL, Think we all know the answer. I will respectfully disagree with baiting VS. food plot's or even hunting over a natural food source. (Oak's, fruit tree's etc)as being the same. JMO but I see baiting as a lazy person's way to attempt to harvest an animal. TMO and doubt It will ever change. For those who bait illegally now or for those who would if made legal, that is the hunter's choice. Personally the state might as well make it legal as it is already going on. Boone...I would love to share ground with the likes of you...I sense our mindset on a lot of things is the same.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 31, 2015 12:33:46 GMT -5
I look at it this way. I hunt for the chase, the inner predator sort of thing. (NOT JUST TO KILL.) I greatly respect the animal's I pursue and am unsuccessful more time's than successful. I get much pleasure out of managing my land, developing it for not only deer but all wildlife. That may be food plot's/source's, timber management, or just general land improvement. Deer season isn't a few week's a year thing for me but a season that never end's. This weekend I am planting 300 seedling tree's. I may see some benefit in my lifetime but certainly the wildlife, my kid's and grand kid's will benefit more. Like most thing's in life, you get what you put into it.
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Post by salt on Mar 31, 2015 13:18:36 GMT -5
So is there even anything proposed to making baiting with food or the use of mineral supplements legal in the current legislation?
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Mar 31, 2015 13:23:30 GMT -5
Let's face it. Up ward's of 20% plus deer killed during firearm season are killed illegally. (IMO). Visit a Rural King, Tractor Supply etc. during firearm's season and watch the deer corn, come here deer, apple supplement's etc fly off the shelves. Where is it going and what's it being used for? ? LOL, Think we all know the answer. I will respectfully disagree with baiting VS. food plot's or even hunting over a natural food source. (Oak's, fruit tree's etc)as being the same. JMO but I see baiting as a lazy person's way to attempt to harvest an animal. TMO and doubt It will ever change. For those who bait illegally now or for those who would if made legal, that is the hunter's choice. Personally the state might as well make it legal as it is already going on. Boone...I would love to share ground with the likes of you...I sense our mindset on a lot of things is the same. Dangit! I would have agreed with everything you said if I'd know this. What are those baiter thinking! Who do they think they are! Dang killers!
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Post by onebentarrow on Mar 31, 2015 17:40:42 GMT -5
I think there could be advantages and dis advantages. if your neighbor puts out a big spread and takes all the deer from your aera. Bad for you. But if you hunt for meat and can bait your chance is inhanced. If like some u can not get much time off during the hunting season, baiting would be an advantage. You could spend a little time after work to keep bait replenished and have a better chance of killing a deer during the little time u have to hunt. (Notice I did not say trophy) Hunting is not the same for me as it is for you. I enjoy the time in the woods. I hunt for meat. I am limited on the trophy size available in my area. A 120 in buck is one Heck of a trophy in the area I hunt. I do not trash you because you will not shoot any thing less than 140 in and have eaten tag soup for the last 4 years but you should not trash me because I am a brown it is down guy. Remember I hunt for meat. Venison is a large part of our meat for the year. This year I wish I could have baited 1 the deer left the property about a week befor gun season and did not come back till mid/late dec.2 the reason I am allowed to hunt THE ONLY PROPERTY I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND (with numerous door knocks and verbal notification to all I am looking) was to eliminate some does because of crop damage. I failed badly this year. I hunted hard to no avail. If I could have baited maby I could have taken a couple does to please the land owner. Just because I could have a pile of bait on one end of the property does not mean I am going to hunt it EVERY time I go out. I have numerous stands in the woods, some on funnels some trails some natural food sorces (oak beach trees) field edges. I enjoy all aspects of hunting (scouting,treestand placement,habitat inhancement (as much as allowed on land I do not own) trail maintance and baiting would just be another reason to be there in the woods. If a person is infatuated with nature hunting and being in the woods they will take the initiative to learn the ways of the HUNTER. Baiting just may be the way to get them started,and every one we get in the woods is one less anti hunter/gun entheuseious we have to deal with. Right now (IN THIS STATE) it is ilegal to bait and all that do should be ticketed. It does not matter what they do in other states it is illegal here. I do not care how you kill your deer in this state or how meny you kill as long as you do it inside of the law. Sorry for the long winded ramble.just my opinion
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 31, 2015 17:56:42 GMT -5
So is there even anything proposed to making baiting with food or the use of mineral supplements legal in the current legislation? Not that I am aware of but our legislature is getting more and more involved in game rules so who knows?
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Mar 31, 2015 18:04:16 GMT -5
I think there could be advantages and dis advantages. if your neighbor puts out a big spread and takes all the deer from your aera. Bad for you. But if you hunt for meat and can bait your chance is inhanced. If like some u can not get much time off during the hunting season, baiting would be an advantage. You could spend a little time after work to keep bait replenished and have a better chance of killing a deer during the little time u have to hunt. (Notice I did not say trophy) Hunting is not the same for me as it is for you. I enjoy the time in the woods. I hunt for meat. I am limited on the trophy size available in my area. A 120 in buck is one Heck of a trophy in the area I hunt. I do not trash you because you will not shoot any thing less than 140 in and have eaten tag soup for the last 4 years but you should not trash me because I am a brown it is down guy. Remember I hunt for meat. Venison is a large part of our meat for the year. This year I wish I could have baited 1 the deer left the property about a week befor gun season and did not come back till mid/late dec.2 the reason I am allowed to hunt THE ONLY PROPERTY I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND (with numerous door knocks and verbal notification to all I am looking) was to eliminate some does because of crop damage. I failed badly this year. I hunted hard to no avail. If I could have baited maby I could have taken a couple does to please the land owner. Just because I could have a pile of bait on one end of the property does not mean I am going to hunt it EVERY time I go out. I have numerous stands in the woods, some on funnels some trails some natural food sorces (oak beach trees) field edges. I enjoy all aspects of hunting (scouting,treestand placement,habitat inhancement (as much as allowed on land I do not own) trail maintance and baiting would just be another reason to be there in the woods. If a person is infatuated with nature hunting and being in the woods they will take the initiative to learn the ways of the HUNTER. Baiting just may be the way to get them started,and every one we get in the woods is one less anti hunter/gun entheuseious we have to deal with. Right now (IN THIS STATE) it is ilegal to bait and all that do should be ticketed. It does not matter what they do in other states it is illegal here. I do not care how you kill your deer in this state or how meny you kill as long as you do it inside of the law. Sorry for the long winded ramble.just my opinion Onebentarrow Well, I'm sensing that we are of the same mind. I'd be happy to share a blind with you ...if you didn't live in Kalamazoo or close to it.
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 1, 2015 8:09:36 GMT -5
I think there could be advantages and dis advantages. if your neighbor puts out a big spread and takes all the deer from your aera. Bad for you. But if you hunt for meat and can bait your chance is inhanced. If like some u can not get much time off during the hunting season, baiting would be an advantage. You could spend a little time after work to keep bait replenished and have a better chance of killing a deer during the little time u have to hunt. (Notice I did not say trophy) Hunting is not the same for me as it is for you. I enjoy the time in the woods. I hunt for meat. I am limited on the trophy size available in my area. A 120 in buck is one Heck of a trophy in the area I hunt. I do not trash you because you will not shoot any thing less than 140 in and have eaten tag soup for the last 4 years but you should not trash me because I am a brown it is down guy. Remember I hunt for meat. Venison is a large part of our meat for the year. This year I wish I could have baited 1 the deer left the property about a week befor gun season and did not come back till mid/late dec.2 the reason I am allowed to hunt THE ONLY PROPERTY I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND (with numerous door knocks and verbal notification to all I am looking) was to eliminate some does because of crop damage. I failed badly this year. I hunted hard to no avail. If I could have baited maby I could have taken a couple does to please the land owner. Just because I could have a pile of bait on one end of the property does not mean I am going to hunt it EVERY time I go out. I have numerous stands in the woods, some on funnels some trails some natural food sorces (oak beach trees) field edges. I enjoy all aspects of hunting (scouting,treestand placement,habitat inhancement (as much as allowed on land I do not own) trail maintance and baiting would just be another reason to be there in the woods. If a person is infatuated with nature hunting and being in the woods they will take the initiative to learn the ways of the HUNTER. Baiting just may be the way to get them started,and every one we get in the woods is one less anti hunter/gun entheuseious we have to deal with. Right now (IN THIS STATE) it is ilegal to bait and all that do should be ticketed. It does not matter what they do in other states it is illegal here. I do not care how you kill your deer in this state or how meny you kill as long as you do it inside of the law. Sorry for the long winded ramble.just my opinion Onebentarrow The biggest thing I loved about your post was the "but you should not trash me because I'm a brown it is down guy". This for the win! I am not of that mindset, yet I am not against it. My problem is when hunters don't accept what kind of hunter they are and move along. Don't try and or justify that you are a brown it is down guy because everyone will simply shoot it if you don't or that there isn't big bucks around...just be who you are and be good with it. The same can be said for the flip side. As long as you own what kind of hunter you are and that kind is LEGAL in nature, I will never argue or fight you.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Apr 1, 2015 9:00:30 GMT -5
The biggest thing I loved about your post was the "but you should not trash me because I'm a brown it is down guy". This for the win! I am not of that mindset, yet I am not against it. My problem is when hunters don't accept what kind of hunter they are and move along. Don't try and or justify that you are a brown it is down guy because everyone will simply shoot it if you don't or that there isn't big bucks around...just be who you are and be good with it. The same can be said for the flip side. As long as you own what kind of hunter you are and that kind is LEGAL in nature, I will never argue or fight you. Mr. Miller, I think this is an EXCELLENT point. I hunt the only way I know how, and try to be an ethical, responsible hunter, but I do not consider myself a real hunter, and this is okay with me. I did photography for a few years, but loved making art from the photos even more. Even though I had professional equipment, I never considered myself a real photographer or an artist, and the reason was that I knew what good really was. I joined an international photo site, and they were very hard on my work, but I learned a lot! Even though my friends and family thought my work was amazing, only brief moments of excellence could I achieve. I accepted the fact that I was not a real photographer or artist and never would be. Had I not joined that site, I wouldn't have known what good really was, and would have had a false image of myself. I'm not sure at what point in my life it hit me, but I started looking inward. I started pointing the finger back at me instead of away from me. This is difficult do, because it doesn't come naturally and reality can be painful. To see our reflection, we must make an effort. Oh, everyone else can clearly see what we look like and who we are by our actions. It is soooooo easy and comfortable to deceive ourselves. I will never be "good" at anything, but I can be good enough. The important part is, as you say, knowing what and who I am. This is strength. Again, a wonderful point you have made.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Apr 1, 2015 9:24:56 GMT -5
Mr. Miller, maybe most hunters feel the way you do, but I'm not sure that I've heard it said. I'm still a novice at all this. Your statement has amazed me, and I think I wasn't seeing your point all along. You didn't change what you were thinking. It's just that sometimes I need to be spoon fed like a baby. LOL
Oh, I admire the old fellas, hunters, farmers or military men. They made the most of what they had and overcame. There will never be another generation of humans like them. Sure, they'll be individuals, but there was a generation of them. All the technology in the world will never take away from their accomplishments.
I have to say, I'm impressed with you.
...be legal, and admit what we are. I'm a guy who enjoys going in the woods and killing whatever is in season. Then I'm going to eat it!
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 1, 2015 13:20:20 GMT -5
Mr. Miller, maybe most hunters feel the way you do, but I'm not sure that I've heard it said. I'm still a novice at all this. Your statement has amazed me, and I think I wasn't seeing your point all along. You didn't change what you were thinking. It's just that sometimes I need to be spoon fed like a baby. LOL Oh, I admire the old fellas, hunters, farmers or military men. They made the most of what they had and overcame. There will never be another generation of humans like them. Sure, they'll be individuals, but there was a generation of them. All the technology in the world will never take away from their accomplishments. I have to say, I'm impressed with you. ...be legal, and admit what we are. I'm a guy who enjoys going in the woods and killing whatever is in season. Then I'm going to eat it!Love the ending sentences! Good on you brother. I am nothing to be impressed by though, if there is anything impressive about me I cannot take any credit. Blessings brother and aim straight.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Apr 1, 2015 13:35:50 GMT -5
Mr. Miller, maybe most hunters feel the way you do, but I'm not sure that I've heard it said. I'm still a novice at all this. Your statement has amazed me, and I think I wasn't seeing your point all along. You didn't change what you were thinking. It's just that sometimes I need to be spoon fed like a baby. LOL Oh, I admire the old fellas, hunters, farmers or military men. They made the most of what they had and overcame. There will never be another generation of humans like them. Sure, they'll be individuals, but there was a generation of them. All the technology in the world will never take away from their accomplishments. I have to say, I'm impressed with you. ...be legal, and admit what we are. I'm a guy who enjoys going in the woods and killing whatever is in season. Then I'm going to eat it!Love the ending sentences! Good on you brother. I am nothing to be impressed by though, if there is anything impressive about me I cannot take any credit. Blessings brother and aim straight. "I am nothing to be impressed by though, if there is anything impressive about me I cannot take any credit." Now, this is impressive, and so true. Thank you brother!
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Post by chubwub on Apr 1, 2015 16:19:04 GMT -5
I had a little chuckle with the statement that modern technology facilitates "ease of hunting" and turns the sport into "killing" and the claim that it takes all the skill out of it. A tool is useless unless one knows how to properly apply it. We see this ALL the time in waterfowl hunting. Guys buy the best decoys, best calls, best of everything, and have some of the most elaborate electronic devices you can think of to bring birds in. I truly feel like even if they had electronic calls, drones, and freaking lead shot they would still be skybusting and unable to kill birds. Heck, we are getting into snow goose hunting and watch videos of these guys who are allowed to use electronic callers, no plugs in guns, 1000+decoys and they STILL skybust like crazy. I hate to say it, but the way my fiance waterfowl hunts... he makes it so easy that it's pretty much killing and not hunting and we don't nearly have the financial resources and fancy stuff these other guys have. 3 dozen old magnums, a secret pattern and calling at the right moments... and nothing short of a rifle and a pond with shelled corn dumped in it is going to out-compete my fiance when it comes to waterfowl. Most of the time we take 5-15 yard shots. I pretty much feel like deer is the same way. I've messed around with some of the various fancy gadgets that and ironically, I find that simply tossing the "computer" stuff aside and just being very very quiet and holding still takes a lot less work and effort then high tech gadgetry, LOL. I've never found it super complicated. You sit down in an area that has deer going through it...you pray one will come through... you point weapon of choice at deer and shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 15:27:29 GMT -5
Bait and Bait piles draw in Does year round, which during the rut draws in Bucks.
If they banned baiting here in Kentucky it would probably save thousands and thousands of Bucks from being taken each season in my opinion.
But in some areas like the eastern Kentucky Appalachian Mountains baiting is about the only way to consistently see deer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 15:32:47 GMT -5
Another time of year baiting negatively effects the deer population is in December and January. Here is Kentucky if you bait or hunt over a bait pile in the cold winter, your odds of taking deer increase substantially than if you were not using bait.
Another issue with baiting is surrounding farms/properties draw deer off your land to their land by using bait. So if you work extremely hard to manage your land it won't be as beneficial if baiting is allowed, because all the surrounding farms have to do is bait and they can draw deer off your land to theirs. This happens all the time here in Kentucky and a lot of people here complain about it.
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Post by span870 on Apr 9, 2015 19:10:03 GMT -5
I'm not a scholar on baiting. Never have. Nothing against it. Just don't see a farm that's is managed well with plenty of food and cover losing deer to the next door neighbor because of a pile of apples or corn.
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Post by drs on Apr 10, 2015 4:09:12 GMT -5
Another issue with baiting is surrounding farms/properties draw deer off your land to their land by using bait. So if you work extremely hard to manage your land it won't be as beneficial if baiting is allowed, because all the surrounding farms have to do is bait and they can draw deer off your land to theirs. This happens all the time here in Kentucky and a lot of people here complain about it. Guess I am fortunate as I don't have the problem of area farms drawing Deer off my property, as there's not that many Hunters in my area. Almost all the farms in my area are posted, around my property, and I know the few Hunters that do hunt here. I see Deer most everyday during our rifle season.
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Post by trophyparadise on Apr 10, 2015 8:48:43 GMT -5
Another time of year baiting negatively effects the deer population is in December and January. Here is Kentucky if you bait or hunt over a bait pile in the cold winter, your odds of taking deer increase substantially than if you were not using bait. Another issue with baiting is surrounding farms/properties draw deer off your land to their land by using bait. So if you work extremely hard to manage your land it won't be as beneficial if baiting is allowed, because all the surrounding farms have to do is bait and they can draw deer off your land to theirs. This happens all the time here in Kentucky and a lot of people here complain about it. A 1 bushel pile of corn isn't going to pull many deer away from a property that has tons and tons of food available via food plots or grain. A 1/2 acre of brassicas can produce 27,000lbs. of food. Standing corn will have 150-200 bushels per acre. Beans 40-60 bushels...even harvested grain fields have way more food available than a bag of bait. If you are working "extremely hard" to manage your property a bait pile on the neighbors doesn't concern you much if that is all they are doing. If you provide food, cover, and low pressure to the deer they will spend the vast majority of their time on your property...yes a few will venture off occasionally, but as far as a bait pile being able to pull deer off of a well managed parcel like a magnet....I don't think so Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" www.facebook.com/trophyparadise
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Post by boonechaser on Apr 10, 2015 9:18:26 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^yeppers. Again I do not support baiting as such but it is so widespread currently that they might as well make legal in Indiana. I have no concern's that it will hurt my hunting.
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