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Post by greghopper on Mar 27, 2015 18:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 30, 2015 15:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Mar 30, 2015 18:52:32 GMT -5
Contact your Senator and urge them to vote against HB1453.
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Post by hunterman on Mar 30, 2015 21:33:01 GMT -5
If you are a sportsman and want to protect hunting and the hunting heritage ask your senator to SUPPORT HB1453
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:43:52 GMT -5
Tell them whatever you want, they sure as heck won't listen anyway.
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Post by hunterman on Mar 30, 2015 21:47:58 GMT -5
There was a LOT of media there today but they certainly was not interested in deer hunting.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 30, 2015 22:12:27 GMT -5
If you are a sportsman and want to protect hunting and the hunting heritage ask your senator to SUPPORT HB1453 You can't be serious ..... Your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts...SMH BTW..... Even the bird preserves are regulated by the DNR. Why not the deer preserves? HB1453 as written the preserves could use any legal weapon ANYTIME they are open. As written deer drives INSIDE the fence are not banned. As written baiting could be allowed since the owners could argue that such a DNR regulation is impeding their business. There's no option requiring a distance between the fence and the treeline hence increasing the chance of a tree falling on the fence and leading to escapes. No option to prevent from using drones in aiding hunting. Not sure if dogs could be used or not. As written I would say they could.
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Post by hunterman on Mar 30, 2015 22:42:53 GMT -5
GH- You are right about one thing, there is not a bunch of BS in the bill. For years everyone tried to appease all the ridiculous request but honestly just got tired of playing the game. All those things were intended to do was to make it to cumbersome to operate. So Several legislators, supporters and the opposition(DNR) met and used common sense and we drafted a bill to get something done. Over the years here is the main issue of the opposition. 1) Fence Heigth- We conceded and will move to 10ft high instead of 8. 2) Animal Movement- We conceded and agreed to use ONLY deer from indiana, none shipped in, 3)Tax Payer Cost- We conceded and agreed to NOT accept indemnity if our animals we to contract CWD. 4) The DNR wants to be a part of it- We conceded and gave DNR authority to perform inspections and oversee the preserves along with BOAH 5) The DNR wants money- We conceded and allow for th DNR to receive thousands of dollars in fees. Those are all the things the opposition felt important so we conceded. The rest of the busy work nobody has interest in wasting time on. If this bill is defeated there will be hunting preserves open everywhere and they will not have ANY oversight. EVERYBODY will lose.
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Post by drs on Mar 31, 2015 4:25:56 GMT -5
Contact your Senator and urge them to vote against HB1453. Good idea!
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Post by drs on Mar 31, 2015 4:28:01 GMT -5
If you are a sportsman and want to protect hunting and the hunting heritage ask your senator to SUPPORT HB1453 BAD IDEA!!
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Post by tomthreetoes on Mar 31, 2015 19:38:53 GMT -5
There's no way a REAL sportsman could support this bill or any fenced shooting pens.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 1, 2015 12:24:14 GMT -5
HB1453 will go to the Senate floor on Thursday afternoon. Contact your Senator now and ask that this bill not be passed. Remind them that Governor Pence said he was not interested in any expansion of these preserves which is exactly what this bill allows. To find your Senator: iga.in.gov/legislative/find-legislators/ To read the entire bill (pay close attention to the last few pages of the committee report): iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1453#document-d6fe0c0c These changes were not available to the public and reduce the fee from $2000 to $300 per year. It also allows anyone to start a preserve with 160 acres and a 10 foot fence. It also prevents DNR from enacting rules that are "prohibitive or restrictive in the operation of the preserve".
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Post by drs on Apr 1, 2015 13:16:15 GMT -5
HB1453 will go to the Senate floor on Thursday afternoon. Contact your Senator now and ask that this bill not be passed. Remind them that Governor Pence said he was not interested in any expansion of these preserves which is exactly what this bill allows. To find your Senator: iga.in.gov/legislative/find-legislators/ To read the entire bill (pay close attention to the last few pages of the committee report): iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1453#document-d6fe0c0c These changes were not available to the public and reduce the fee from $2000 to $300 per year. It also allows anyone to start a preserve with 160 acres and a 10 foot fence. It also prevents DNR from enacting rules that are "prohibitive or restrictive in the operation of the preserve". IF this is passed as what is written; then Deer Hunting, as currently conducted will cease to exist. Along the sport of Deer Hunting.
FOLKS THIS IS A VERY BAD BILL FOR ALL HOOSIER DEER HUNTERS!!!!!!
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Post by greghopper on Apr 2, 2015 11:17:22 GMT -5
HB1453 will go to the Senate floor on Thursday afternoon. Contact your Senator now and ask that this bill not be passed. Remind them that Governor Pence said he was not interested in any expansion of these preserves which is exactly what this bill allows. To find your Senator: iga.in.gov/legislative/find-legislators/ To read the entire bill (pay close attention to the last few pages of the committee report): iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1453#document-d6fe0c0c These changes were not available to the public and reduce the fee from $2000 to $300 per year. It also allows anyone to start a preserve with 160 acres and a 10 foot fence. It also prevents DNR from enacting rules that are "prohibitive or restrictive in the operation of the preserve". Schedule says 1:30 PM and ....there is a live stream: iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/senate
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Post by joekelly on Apr 3, 2015 8:24:51 GMT -5
Who cares...works in other states. Did any of you voice your concerns about the religious freedom bill like you are doing here?
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Post by greghopper on Apr 3, 2015 8:28:30 GMT -5
Who cares...works in other states. Did any of you voice your concerns about the religious freedom bill like you are doing here? Yeah it works in other states that why there been CWD found there!!
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Post by throbak on Apr 3, 2015 9:21:32 GMT -5
Tell them whatever you want, they sure as heck won't listen anyway. They will listen my senator talked to me at a town hall MTG on this issue he voted no after our talk and had always voted for so they will listen
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Apr 3, 2015 11:08:25 GMT -5
Help me understand this. This is for fenced-in deer, so they can grow monster deer and charge 10-15K to shoot one???
If so, I'm a little bit torn. I am for the free market. If a guy wants to raise deer for someone to shoot for profit, I'm not sure that I should tell him not to do it.
I think I understand why one would be against it. Well, I guess a few reasons why, but from a hunters perspective, I can see how one wouldn't consider this hunting at all.
I'm a bit concerned that it would be hypocritical of me to want to bait, but not want someone to shoot them in a pin if this is what they want to do.
I'm not sure how this will take away from me hunting the way I know how to hunt.
I'm not sure that any hunter would call it hunting, and no one will pay big money to kill a deer for food. What if they just call it what it would be ...killing a pinned in deer. If I got to bait, it wouldn't bother me to say I killed a baited deer.
No, it wouldn't bother me if a guy mounted a 12 point monster and paid 15K do it if this was his dream vacation. What would it matter to me. The fact that it would be bigger than anything I'd see or shoot on the open range doesn't take away from how I feel about my little 6 pointer.
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Post by joekelly on Apr 3, 2015 11:42:57 GMT -5
As of 2008, CWD has been found in WILD deer, moose and elk in Colorado, Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia,Wisconsin, Wyoming and in the Canadian Providence of Saskatchewan. Just to name a few states...that information was obtained from the cwd website. Whats stopping the deer from Illinois coming to indiana?
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Post by greghopper on Apr 10, 2015 20:29:29 GMT -5
Indiana Senate delays high-fence hunting bill The Senate sponsor of a bill that would formally legalize hunting of fenced-in deer in Indiana unexpectedly held the legislation on Thursday. The move sets up a possible vote early next week on House Bill 1453, which would allow the four fenced deer-hunting preserves in Indiana to continue to operate, but would also allow new preserves to open. The last day to call bills this year is Wednesday. HB 1453 faces an uncertain future, and possible changes next week. It passed the House earlier this session, but last year, a similar bill failed to advance in the Senate by a single vote. Plus, last week, a Senate committee added language to the House bill that would allow new preserves larger than 160 acres to open. The amendment outraged animal-rights activists, wildlife groups and hunting associations who despise the idea of allowing even current preserves to stay in business, let alone new ones. The bill has support from the state's powerful Farm Bureau, some business associations and the state's deer breeders who sell animals to be hunted at preserves. Should the bill pass and be signed by Gov. Mike Pence, it would end a decade-old stalemate over whether the captive-deer hunting industry could legally operate in Indiana. In 2005, the Department of Natural Resources issued a ban on captive deer hunting. The preserves sued. Recent court rulings have found the DNR overstepped its authority. Under the current version of the bill, owners of Indiana's fenced hunting preserves would be forbidden from selling a deer for a hunt within 24 hours of it being sedated, and only animals born and raised on Indiana deer farms could be hunted. The amended bill also includes a provision that says Indiana taxpayers wouldn't have to pay a preserve owner if state officials kill his or her deer in the event of a disease outbreak. Rep. Sean Eberhart, R-Shelbyville, the bill's primary author in the House, has said such language was inserted to appease opponents of high-fence hunting who cite worries about unethical hunts as well as disease risks associated with the interstate trade in trophy deer. It's not clear whether Pence would sign off on a bill that could expand the state's hunting-preserve industry. In early 2013, the governor's spokeswoman said he was concerned about an expansion of high-fence hunting, but he would be willing to have "an open mind about legislative efforts to permit existing facilities to continue to operate." www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/09/indiana-senate-delays-high-fence-hunting-bill/25530153/
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