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Post by Sasquatch on Apr 27, 2015 16:26:41 GMT -5
Now all the urban trash in Baltimore are looting and destroying, and throwing rocks at cops.
As long as cops can't respond, then this stuff will continue. They will use any arrest or shooting that has the scent of controversy to raise hell.
Start killing them. I say that as a Christian man. I say that with no reservations, because I know that order is needed for civilization to continue. There will be a net gain in peace and prosperity if you kill a few of these idiots, and that is better than anarchy. Men, women, teenagers, anyone looting and threatening cops. It wouldn't take to many corpses before these protests became a lot less popular.
I don't want anyone to die. Yet how can a civilized society let this go on?
How is robbing a CVS helping the oppressed? How is destroying businesses helping the downtrodden? How is attacking police helping your relations with them?
The news talks about the "Anger." Why are the rock throwers smiling then?
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Post by firstwd on Apr 27, 2015 17:11:33 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree.
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Post by deadeer on Apr 27, 2015 19:19:33 GMT -5
I totally agree, but unfortunately you know the outcome, never happen, needs to happen, but never will. This is the prosperity and freedom the president promised his felow man when he campaigned, and their getting it. Can you believe we are even worried about terrorists when we have this going on at a drop of a hat? I read Obama was 50mi away at a party when this started. There wasn't any rioting in that neighborhood. Hhhmmmm. Can you imagine that.
Jay
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Post by maddog on Apr 28, 2015 6:16:39 GMT -5
I'm setting here at my puter, not only agreeing with you, but shaking my head at the same time. I'm to the point that I don't even want to go to a big city any more........
maddog
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 28, 2015 6:23:21 GMT -5
They need to come down on them hard.
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Post by drs on Apr 28, 2015 7:42:58 GMT -5
Where's Charles Bronson aka "Paul Kersey" when you need him.
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Post by chubwub on Apr 28, 2015 8:20:45 GMT -5
I will start this out by saying that the protestors were totally out of line and did nothing to further their cause. However I'm more worried when we think the appropriate action to this kind of thing is to escalate the situation into full on anarchy and start spraying bullets into crowds of protestors which include women and children who may or may not be the cause of the rioting. Controlling by fear and intimidation will only work when the people you intend to rule over stay afraid....and these people don't have much left to lose. I'd hate to think that our first solution to a riot in a first world country is to behave like a 3rd world dictatorship and start mass slaughtering our own people. But if this is something your truly feel is the right decision, then by all means pick up a gun look that person in the eyes and fire the first round into that crowd. 1988 Burma riots. 3000 civilians killed when police finally cracked and started spraying bullets into crowds. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7543347.stmMarch 1st movement Korea 1919. 7,500 peaceful protestors killed by Japanese troops by firing into crowds. www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/364173/March-First-MovementThe 228 Massacre of Taiwan 1947. 28,000 civilians killed, started because a widow was beaten for selling cigarettes without a license. The goverment pretended to negotiate with the protestors while bringing in massive troops which then marched into the city and started firing into the crowds.(Eric Garner anyone?) www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2004/02/28/2003100472No... what scares me more is seeing how we are becoming so similar to those countries which we condemn for they way they handle their protestors and violate human rights.
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Post by swilk on Apr 28, 2015 8:40:05 GMT -5
Looters do as much to damage the cause of protesters as the dirty cops do to damage the cause of the good cops.
Protest, even violent protest, is an important part of our country. Looting aint got nothing to do with it though ....
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Apr 28, 2015 10:29:29 GMT -5
I say arrest them and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. The problem seems to be the "stand back and give them their space" approach. Free speech does not equal right to loot/destroy.
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Post by Sasquatch on Apr 28, 2015 14:42:09 GMT -5
Chubwub, I absolutely understand what you are saying, and might have agreed five or six riots ago.
But there area couple of problems with this.
1. Why are women and children in the crowd at what is more of a riot than a protest? If the cops started defending themselves and there are kids behind the targets, that's the kid's parent's fault, not the cops or the government.
2. There is no reason for these riots. This is not akin to a protest against a third world dictator who has driven his people to the edge. The reason for burning and looting is pretty thin here.
I think a government should take pains to avoid violence. To a point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:06:07 GMT -5
I think we should start trying to treat the disease and not wait for the symptoms to flare up...but that's probably just me.
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Post by chubwub on Apr 29, 2015 12:54:14 GMT -5
At this point it's like asking what came first, the chicken or the egg? All I know now is that we have a serious problem developing in the country, and obviously treating our citizens like enemy combatants and trying to sweep unjustified instances of police brutality isn't solving any problems. Years of unfair treatment and resentment aren't going to be be forgotten in a few days. At what point is is okay to use violence to prove your point? If you are civilian, the answer is never I suppose. If you are a cop, the answer appears to be.. anytime you want for any reason you like, which will always be justified as someone else's fault besides the cop who pulled the trigger: SWAT Team blows a hole in the side of a 2 year old toddler with a flash grenade. Gee I guess those parents shouldn't have had that child in the crib. www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/7 year old killed sleeping on the couch during SWAT raid, cop cleared of all wrongdoing. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/31/detroit-aiyana-stanley-jones-police-officer-clearedI could go on and on with these articles. It's absolutely disgusting and something that should never happen in our country regardless of the circumstances. I feel that it is absolutely the cop's fault that he fired a bullet into a crowd and stuck a child standing behind someone. After all, that is one of the FIRST rules of firearm safety, know what is in front of your target and behind it. Putting on a badge should not magically make you exempt from the rules. After all, this is their job, one would imagine after all the lectures they give civilians about firearm safety, they would practice what they preach. Most of the ones I have met do. You don't know why everyone is there. Some simply may be trying to go about there day during the protest. Others may have decided to take a walk with their children and stopped to see what was going on. Why should we encourage an officer to turn an already ugly situation into a terrible tragedy?
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Post by firstwd on Apr 29, 2015 18:39:34 GMT -5
When a group of people have decided that they are being oppressed because they have not experienced the same success that others have, and they think the Government is responsible for giving them that success, I simply see no way to treat that disease.
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Post by Sasquatch on Apr 29, 2015 18:48:40 GMT -5
I dunno Chub, I think we will have to agree to disagree.
I do have to say that It's a little much to ask of the police to do more than a perfunctory check of the background when shooting at rioters.
I agree that there is a possibility of some random dude getting hit during a battle.... but a line of rock throwing, screaming idiots across from a line of helmeted riot police? Who in the heck is going to have a kid behind that? ( besides an imbecile )
Besides, I think you can stop worrying. CNN and all the liberal fairies would be raising three kinds of hell if the cops even fired beanbags.
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Post by Boilermaker on Apr 30, 2015 14:49:48 GMT -5
Media, there's half the problem!
I'm trying to figure out how a law enforcement officer's life is suddenly less valuable than an inbred, bottom-feeding, looting POS who decided he wanted a new TV and would literally do anything and go over anyone to get it. Eliminate the threat, all others who haven't left prior to the warnings I would consider collateral damage.
Is it just me, or does it seem these "protests" have occurred at a much greater frequency since that dazzling urbanite moved into the white house a few years ago?
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Post by firstwd on Apr 30, 2015 16:34:13 GMT -5
Like the mess in Missouri, they are rioting over something they perceive. Yes a man died,but the truth behind that death just doesn't seem to matter.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2015 12:29:19 GMT -5
I'm just wondering about another situation. What if they take our guns away or even tax bullets, so that few can afford them, and gun owners protest violently, will they say, "Just let them loot."
I'm thinking we'd get a different response.
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Post by firstwd on May 2, 2015 18:35:21 GMT -5
King George will be laughing in his grave....
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Post by greyhair on May 2, 2015 18:59:56 GMT -5
This is just the most recent upsurge in riots - but they have occurred regularly in our history,and for different reasons. But blaming Obama? The roots of this problem go back way more than six years. Way more than 60.
I spend time in large cities as part of work, a fair amount too. I cannot wait to get back home to the country, fast as I can. Our major cities are crammed full of poorly educated, broken-family, addiction-ridden people with little or no access to jobs even if they had been raised with a work ethic.
Are they criminals and thugs? Yes.
Do the youth in these places have much hope of a better life? Sadly, no.
They will likely grow up to do what they have watched those around them do. Work ethic, morals, goal-setting, compassion, desire to learn- all these things are taught to children, and nobody is teaching them, except to steal and shoot at each other.
I was in Memphis recently in a rough part of town. Seeing kids 6,7,8 on the streets was sad, because I could just about see their future.
I don't know what the answer is - how do you force parents to be more responsible? Welfare and handouts are not the answer, and apparently filling up the prisons isn't working either. Then there is Jesse Jackson and his band of bullies that just make things worse
None of this excuses their behavior, and crimes need to be punished, but unless there is some kind of miraculous change I fear we will see another generation of thugs, and another, and another
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Post by drs on May 3, 2015 4:42:58 GMT -5
Like the mess in Missouri, they are rioting over something they perceive. Yes a man died,but the truth behind that death just doesn't seem to matter. To tell you the truth, I am getting sick & tired hearing this same story on the news everyday!! This was a local event not having anything to do with being a national event. All this news story is doing is taking-up time from more important issues affecting this country. TIME TO MOVE ON!! It's obvious that Obama & his supporters are "Milking" this story to further divide this country of ours.
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