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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 7:49:01 GMT -5
How do you stomach watching any sport or rooting for any team when they all are guilty of cheating or employing cheaters if this bothers you so much?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:28:30 GMT -5
I know no such thing. You just shot down someone else's universal statement and then followed it up with your own.
If the Colts were caught cheating, I'd expect them to have to pay the price. Just like Mathis and Landry did last year as individual player violations.
It's sounding more likely that Brady will be served a punishment in this case. If he does, he will serve his suspension (likely one game, perhaps two) then come back. If he gets caught cheating again, punishment should be more severe.
In other words, if one of my guys is caught cheating, I expect them to be punished. If it's chronic behavior or extremely serious, I want them gone.
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 8:38:32 GMT -5
Are you talking to me?
I was not talking to you .... I was asking Greg.
Just for curiosity sake ... what was my Universal statement? Assuming it was the every organization cheats or employes cheaters .... do you disagree? Are you under the impression that there is a completely clean organization out there in professional sports? Dont confuse my acknowledgement of such things as condoning them ....
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:42:29 GMT -5
Oh. Well, Greg and I appear to be in agreement about something (for once ) I guess I just got excited.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:43:36 GMT -5
Yes. Assuming that all organizations cheat is a perfect example of a universal statement.
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 8:44:43 GMT -5
Do you disagree? Are you under the impression that there is an organization in professional sport that does not cheat nor employee any cheaters?
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 8:46:31 GMT -5
And for the record ... if you read back through this thread Greg had already acknowledged my assertion that all organizations cheat or employee cheaters and said that does not make it right. That is where my question came from.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:46:46 GMT -5
The "employs cheaters" part may be closer to a provable statement. It's how the organization deals with those individuals that matters. Do they bring them to light or do they cover up? There is the rub.
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 8:50:28 GMT -5
lol ... I would say most cover them up until they are brought to light. It is rarely the team that offers the punishment until the league (or whatever governing body) brings them to light.
Im not a fan of either team but I would say that Bob Kraft is a man of higher integrity than Jim Irsay .... would you agree? Heck I think even Jerry Jones is better than Irsay ... and Jones is a douche.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:56:57 GMT -5
No.
I don't know either one. Irsay has had some well publicized issues with addiction and private life. But that's a separate issue from the way he runs his organization.
I have know idea what kind of personal life Kraft has (for all I know he could have a computer full of kiddie porn).
I do know that his organization has come under a lot of scrutiny and he seems to be really good buddies with the commissioner of the NFL.
So, again, I will answer your question with a no.
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 9:03:46 GMT -5
lol ... you dont know for sure Tom Brady had anything to do with it either but you sure dont mind offering an opinion on him.
Integrity of the man (men) has to do with all aspects of their lives and not just how they run an organization.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 9:56:11 GMT -5
I never said I knew Brady cheated. He has been strongly implicated by the NFL report and it looks likely he will pay some sort of punishment for it.
All we have to go on is the investigation and Tom Brady's word. That's all we will ever have to go on.
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Post by greghopper on May 7, 2015 10:03:16 GMT -5
And for the record ... if you read back through this thread Greg had already acknowledged my assertion that all organizations cheat or employee cheaters and said that does not make it right. That is where my question came from. I said "Maybe" true..... Let not stretch that to far!!!
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Post by greghopper on May 7, 2015 10:04:27 GMT -5
Oh. Well, Greg and I appear to be in agreement about something (for once ) I guess I just got excited. Some days the planets lines up.... Some days they don't !!!
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Post by jjas on May 7, 2015 10:06:39 GMT -5
In the end..I wouldn't be surprised if the "ball boys" (or whatever title they have) throw themselves on the "deflategate grenade" and say it was all their fault and neither Tom Brady (nor anyone else) knew a thing about it.
The ball boys will then resign and a few weeks later a big, fat "severance" check will show up in the mail for their "valued service" to the Patriots organization.
And life goes on for Brady and the Patriots.......
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Post by greghopper on May 7, 2015 10:07:04 GMT -5
How do you stomach watching any sport or rooting for any team when they all are guilty of cheating or employing cheaters if this bothers you so much? I come to learn how to stomach things from my time here on certain subjects...... Rolaids help also!!!
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Post by BOWn Hunter on May 7, 2015 11:45:14 GMT -5
pop2
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 12:09:37 GMT -5
What do you guys think about the fact that one of the Colts balls, tested post game, was also under inflated? Did they "cheat" too or is it okay theirs was under the minimum?
Refer to page 73 of the report .....
Patriots played the first half with under inflated balls and the Colts played the second half with at least one of their balls being under inflated.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 7, 2015 12:29:53 GMT -5
One of my Avian X decoys leaks. The other doesn't.
I would say it is much easier to explain one ball low than 11 out of 12 wouldn't you say?
The equipment boys texts is very telling.
Brady not cooperating in the investigation is also telling.
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Post by swilk on May 7, 2015 12:37:03 GMT -5
So, in your opinion, the Colts ball doesnt matter. Got it.
What do you think about the various gauges used measuring so far apart? The possibility the gauge used to put them right at 12.5psi prior to game start could have resulted in another gauge reading them as low as 12.05psi? And that according to the report the "ideal gas law" could possibly explain an additional 1-1.2psi drop between game start and half time? Possible to have a ball measure under 11psi isnt it?
Possible?
Possible?
Any of that sound plausible to you or is your mind made up that you know what happened without question? Any doubt in your mind?
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