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Post by firstwd on May 7, 2015 20:14:02 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of Rock Island Armory?
My daughter works at Rural King and she has found a 38 snub nose there. It looked at it and it seems like a good gun, just looking to get some opinions.
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Post by hornzilla on May 7, 2015 20:55:43 GMT -5
They make a quality firearm. Haven't heard much bad about them. Had a AR made by them.
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Post by dbd870 on May 7, 2015 21:10:12 GMT -5
Yep RIA's may not be the most glamorous firearm you will see but they are a very good value. I hear more about their 1911's than any of their other arms and everyone seems to be pleased with them.
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Post by firstwd on May 7, 2015 22:41:04 GMT -5
Cool. Thanks guys. In my mind it will be a purse / gut gun while she's out and about while away at college. It in no way has to look pretty, it just has to be reliable.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 20:12:46 GMT -5
I just knew that they made ARs, but I've read that they're a toss up between them and Bushmaster. However, you know how people are with their guns. I'm sure people that talk either way about them, but I wouldn't be afraid of it.
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Post by 45shooter on May 20, 2015 21:44:55 GMT -5
I just knew that they made ARs, but I've read that they're a toss up between them and Bushmaster. However, you know how people are with their guns. I'm sure people that talk either way about them, but I wouldn't be afraid of it. You may be thinking Rock River Arms. Different company than Rock Island Armory. RIA manufacturing operations are in the Phillipines and is mostly known for their inexpensive 1911 style handguns. I believe they manufactured AR style rifles in the 80's. But I could not locate centerfire AR style rifles in their current offerings. For the OP, I have no personal experience with RIA products. In my opinion .38 revolver is a GREAT choice for your application and intended use. Personally I would recommend something that is +P rated though. From my research, these revolvers are not rated to handle +P ammunition.
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Post by dbd870 on May 21, 2015 7:43:18 GMT -5
I just knew that they made ARs, but I've read that they're a toss up between them and Bushmaster. However, you know how people are with their guns. I'm sure people that talk either way about them, but I wouldn't be afraid of it. You may be thinking Rock River Arms. Different company than Rock Island Armory. RIA manufacturing operations are in the Phillipines and is mostly known for their inexpensive 1911 style handguns. I believe they manufactured AR style rifles in the 80's. But I could not locate centerfire AR style rifles in their current offerings. For the OP, I have no personal experience with RIA products. In my opinion .38 revolver is a GREAT choice for your application and intended use. Personally I would recommend something that is +P rated though. From my research, these revolvers are not rated to handle +P ammunition.I agree with this.
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Post by firstwd on May 22, 2015 11:22:10 GMT -5
You may be thinking Rock River Arms. Different company than Rock Island Armory. RIA manufacturing operations are in the Phillipines and is mostly known for their inexpensive 1911 style handguns. I believe they manufactured AR style rifles in the 80's. But I could not locate centerfire AR style rifles in their current offerings. For the OP, I have no personal experience with RIA products. In my opinion .38 revolver is a GREAT choice for your application and intended use. Personally I would recommend something that is +P rated though. From my research, these revolvers are not rated to handle +P ammunition.I agree with this. Time for me to look stupid. What us +P?
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Post by dbd870 on May 22, 2015 11:57:34 GMT -5
In 38 Special (and some others) there is ammo loaded to different pressure levels. The higher levels are noted by "+P". The better 38 SD loads tend to be +P rated. Interestingly enough in 9mm the best performing loads are a mixture.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 22, 2015 13:30:03 GMT -5
Time for me to look stupid. What us +P? Man, you know I have a weak heart; this just about did me in. I thought you knew everything. You should have sent me a PM, and I would have asked it for you; everyone expects stupid questions from me.
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Post by dbd870 on May 22, 2015 17:43:44 GMT -5
Time for me to look stupid. What us +P? Man, you know I have a weak heart; this just about did me in. I thought you knew everything. You should have sent me a PM, and I would have asked it for you; everyone expects stupid questions from me. LOL! I haven't noticed any stupid questions from you
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 22, 2015 20:41:12 GMT -5
Man, you know I have a weak heart; this just about did me in. I thought you knew everything. You should have sent me a PM, and I would have asked it for you; everyone expects stupid questions from me. LOL! I haven't noticed any stupid questions from you Oh man, I can sure put them out there, but it doesn't bother me. I know I don't know anything. For some reason, I'd rather ask you guys than look it up. I was surprised that firstwrd asked this question instead of looking it up. Actually, I admire that he did ask it ...he should just warn me next time. LOL
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Post by dbd870 on May 23, 2015 6:31:05 GMT -5
The nice thing about the Boards is you have a fighting chance of someone having experience about what you are asking, and it is more fun than looking it up!
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Post by 45shooter on May 24, 2015 12:01:13 GMT -5
SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) is the governing body with responsibility to maintain engineering standards for firearm and ammunition chamberings. This includes chamber dimensions, cartridge dimensions and cartridge working pressures. Many currently available cartridges were originally black powder cartridges and operated at much lower chamber pressures than can be loaded using smokeless powder. The .38 Special is one of those cartridges. Also, in the last 100+ years, advances in firearms design and metallurgy allow firearms to safely operate at much higher chamber pressures. So, in some cases, SAAMI recognizes at least 2 chamber pressures. The higher pressure is indicated as +P. **Very important NEVER FIRE +P AMMO IN A FIREARM THAT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY INDICATE +P.** You may get lucky and it may take some time for the firearm to fail. Then again, you may not.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 24, 2015 13:27:07 GMT -5
After the Judge came out, I was talking with a guy at Gander Mountain guns and he said they had gotten several back that had firing damage. I thought the concept was a cool idea.
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Post by dbd870 on May 24, 2015 15:50:01 GMT -5
The 410 does not meet FBI penetration standards and if you want a 45LC that would not be my first choice. Now throwing birds for that would be a great pastime!
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Post by 45shooter on May 24, 2015 16:47:32 GMT -5
45 Colt is another one of those cartridges that started out as black powder and is now available in a +P load. The Judge is not rated for +P pressures. As I'm sure you know it's very important to match ammo with firearm. A friend at work ruined a Charter Arms .38 with a .357 cartridge. Of course, he shouldn't have been able to chamber the round. But it fit and he fired it. The frame and barrel split at the forcing cone. Since the cylinder didn't fail, I'm convinced that Charter installed a .357 cylinder on a .38 frame.
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Post by stevein on May 24, 2015 23:05:39 GMT -5
The only factory ammo I could find for my 38 special was solids or lead round nose. JHP was all +P. I had to load some up. I bet a wadcutter would leave a wicked hole though.
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Post by esshup on May 25, 2015 1:37:07 GMT -5
I have a friend that is a LEO. He said that I should use Winchester +P+ 9mm in my Kahr if it would take it, I called Kahr and they said that it's only rated for +P ammo.
You won't find it marked on the gun anywhere, either look in the owners manual or call the mfg. to see what power level of ammo it's rated for.
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Post by dbd870 on May 25, 2015 6:36:29 GMT -5
Any of these loads will serve you well.
Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115) Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P) Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP) Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA) Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA) Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T) Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364) Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617) Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619) Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD) Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC) Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1) Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5) Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2) Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)
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