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Post by Woody Williams on May 18, 2015 16:50:58 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that most are looking to be able to harvest whitetails at a greater distance is the biggest reason or having multiple options of weapons to use? Not for me. Just another chance to use a different hunting tool...and a reason to buy another gun..
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Post by jimstc on May 18, 2015 17:27:38 GMT -5
M4, Very well stated. Too bad you can't run the 300 BLK. Would've been a nice combination. I agree with all of your statements. Suppressors do not affect accuracy. Absolutely agree that HPR accuracy potential isn't even in the same conversation as shotguns, muzzleloaders or pistol caliber rifles. Just my opinion....
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Post by jimstc on May 18, 2015 17:35:16 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that most are looking to be able to harvest whitetails at a greater distance is the biggest reason or having multiple options of weapons to use? Not for me. Just another chance to use a different hunting tool...and a reason to buy another gun.. Me either. Distance is not the issue. The issue is freedom of choice. So, your second comment regarding multiple options is accurate from my perspective.
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Post by nfalls116 on May 18, 2015 17:43:20 GMT -5
The biggest pro for me is simple less laws to worry about tip toeing through
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Post by tynimiller on May 18, 2015 17:51:50 GMT -5
I've shot many a suppressed gun and sadly I guess was a victim to unconfirmed research on my part. Accuracy is a moot point then with suppressors. I'll always admit when wrong.
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Post by M4Madness on May 18, 2015 18:01:40 GMT -5
I've shot many a suppressed gun and sadly I guess was a victim to unconfirmed research on my part. Accuracy is a moot point then with suppressors. I'll always admit when wrong. Hey, it's all good. There's not much 100% certainty in this world, so there's probably some gun out there that sucks with a suppressor, but I've never encountered it nor read about it. You actually get a little more velocity from a suppressor as well -- it's called "freebore boost". I'd say that many suppressors have POI shift, so most users know where their rifle shoots both suppressed and unsuppressed. I was shocked that my 5.56 had little to no shift. I had it sighted dead nuts at 100 yards suppressed and loaned the rifle to a buddy --- I couldn't loan the suppressor due to legal reasons -- and it shot right in the bullseye for him unsuppressed with no scope adjustments. Another beef I have with the .357" bullet minimum for deer in Indiana is that in order to suppress the rifle, I'd have to order a custom suppressor, as that's not a caliber that anyone suppresses. So, not only would I have an expensive, oddball rifle, but I'd have an expensive, oddball suppressor as well. LOL! I could live with the current PCR brass length regulations if they'd reduce the minimum bullet diameter to .308".
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Post by firstwd on May 18, 2015 18:47:27 GMT -5
The entire clarity of regulations is the biggest and simplest reason to legalize them.
The rounds are already legal for use in the state, including for deer. The tool in which that round is delivered is the only thing that is restricted, and only for deer.
Why?
Simplicity is always best. Legalize them or ban them, but this convoluted mess we currently have needs to go.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 18, 2015 18:55:41 GMT -5
The entire clarity of regulations is the biggest and simplest reason to legalize them. The rounds are already legal for use in the state, including for deer. The tool in which that round is delivered is the only thing that is restricted, and only for deer. Why? Simplicity is always best. Legalize them or ban them, but this convoluted mess we currently have needs to go. I think that was what the DNR was striving for - clarity and eliminating this hodge podge that they now have. Powers bigger than them axed it. .
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Post by M4Madness on May 18, 2015 19:46:22 GMT -5
...I bet if they take out semi-autos... I totally forgot to address this earlier. I do not see the DNR ever prohibiting semi-auto rifles, as they would have to also prohibit semi-auto rifles and shotguns that have been used for years. The rules would be even more convoluted than they are today if the DNR said, "We're going to allow semi-auto slug guns, semi-auto PCR's, but not semi-auto HPR's." Semi-autos would have to be all or nothing...
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Post by Woody Williams on May 18, 2015 19:55:53 GMT -5
I agree.. I don't think they will limit what action or number of cartridges. The only restrictions I see (other than what they have proposed) would be areas of the state. The south will get them and the north won't.. They will copy states like Michigan..
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Post by M4Madness on May 18, 2015 19:58:29 GMT -5
I agree.. I don't think they will limit what action or number of cartridges. The only restrictions I see (other than what they have proposed) would be areas of the state. The south will get them and the north won't.. They will copy states like Michigan.. I could live with that -- as long as the dividing highway was something north of HWY 50. LOL!
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Post by jjas on May 18, 2015 20:30:41 GMT -5
Woody Williams
That's the same thing I thought. Do away with the inconsistencies of the regs and move on.......
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Post by Huntnfreak on May 18, 2015 20:38:36 GMT -5
I agree.. I don't think they will limit what action or number of cartridges. The only restrictions I see (other than what they have proposed) would be areas of the state. The south will get them and the north won't.. They will copy states like Michigan.. I could live with that -- as long as the dividing highway was something north of HWY 50. LOL! Surely you two aren't suggesting we treat our northern folk unfairly are you? Just kidding!!
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Post by dbd870 on May 19, 2015 6:30:21 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that most are looking to be able to harvest whitetails at a greater distance is the biggest reason or having multiple options of weapons to use? Not at all. I can cover every place I hunt in IN with what is legal now. I'm all for them to allow for the best chance of making a recovery. If you do some investigation in to wounding mechanisms you will find those who have a right to have an opinion state once you get above 2000fps or so you get additional wounding effects - and that's not at the muzzle that's at point of impact. Unless you use a wildcat or one of the faster specialty pistols you aren't getting that now.
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Post by tynimiller on May 19, 2015 7:01:57 GMT -5
...I bet if they take out semi-autos... I totally forgot to address this earlier. I do not see the DNR ever prohibiting semi-auto rifles, as they would have to also prohibit semi-auto rifles and shotguns that have been used for years. The rules would be even more convoluted than they are today if the DNR said, "We're going to allow semi-auto slug guns, semi-auto PCR's, but not semi-auto HPR's." Semi-autos would have to be all or nothing... Kinda like how you can shoot rifle rounds out of a pistol now but not a long gun? I personally am for not allowing semi's at all...too many fellas don't re-capture sight picture, check target and beyond target before checking off the second shot...or third...or 4th.....or 5th. Just me though, and I agree it would cause issues...so maybe the best and cleanest way to handle it all is to just make all rifle rounds illegal (pistols included) to avoid any confusion. haha. I'm just kidding, but I do feel they need to do one or the other...this middle gray crap is just stupid.
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Post by tynimiller on May 19, 2015 7:03:08 GMT -5
I've shot many a suppressed gun and sadly I guess was a victim to unconfirmed research on my part. Accuracy is a moot point then with suppressors. I'll always admit when wrong. Hey, it's all good. There's not much 100% certainty in this world, so there's probably some gun out there that sucks with a suppressor, but I've never encountered it nor read about it. You actually get a little more velocity from a suppressor as well -- it's called "freebore boost". I'd say that many suppressors have POI shift, so most users know where their rifle shoots both suppressed and unsuppressed. I was shocked that my 5.56 had little to no shift. I had it sighted dead nuts at 100 yards suppressed and loaned the rifle to a buddy --- I couldn't loan the suppressor due to legal reasons -- and it shot right in the bullseye for him unsuppressed with no scope adjustments. Another beef I have with the .357" bullet minimum for deer in Indiana is that in order to suppress the rifle, I'd have to order a custom suppressor, as that's not a caliber that anyone suppresses. So, not only would I have an expensive, oddball rifle, but I'd have an expensive, oddball suppressor as well. LOL! I could live with the current PCR brass length regulations if they'd reduce the minimum bullet diameter to .308". Why must you have a suppressor...did you explain this elsewhere?
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Post by Woody Williams on May 19, 2015 8:14:22 GMT -5
I totally forgot to address this earlier. I do not see the DNR ever prohibiting semi-auto rifles, as they would have to also prohibit semi-auto rifles and shotguns that have been used for years. The rules would be even more convoluted than they are today if the DNR said, "We're going to allow semi-auto slug guns, semi-auto PCR's, but not semi-auto HPR's." Semi-autos would have to be all or nothing... Kinda like how you can shoot rifle rounds out of a pistol now but not a long gun? I personally am for not allowing semi's at all...too many fellas don't re-capture sight picture, check target and beyond target before checking off the second shot...or third...or 4th.....or 5th. Just me though, and I agree it would cause issues...so maybe the best and cleanest way to handle it all is to just make all rifle rounds illegal (pistols included) to avoid any confusion. haha. I'm just kidding, but I do feel they need to do one or the other...this middle gray crap is just stupid. I can work my 870 just about as fast as another hunter can trigger a semi.. So what is next? No pump guns?
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 19, 2015 8:29:05 GMT -5
Hey, it's all good. There's not much 100% certainty in this world, so there's probably some gun out there that sucks with a suppressor, but I've never encountered it nor read about it. You actually get a little more velocity from a suppressor as well -- it's called "freebore boost". I'd say that many suppressors have POI shift, so most users know where their rifle shoots both suppressed and unsuppressed. I was shocked that my 5.56 had little to no shift. I had it sighted dead nuts at 100 yards suppressed and loaned the rifle to a buddy --- I couldn't loan the suppressor due to legal reasons -- and it shot right in the bullseye for him unsuppressed with no scope adjustments. Another beef I have with the .357" bullet minimum for deer in Indiana is that in order to suppress the rifle, I'd have to order a custom suppressor, as that's not a caliber that anyone suppresses. So, not only would I have an expensive, oddball rifle, but I'd have an expensive, oddball suppressor as well. LOL! I could live with the current PCR brass length regulations if they'd reduce the minimum bullet diameter to .308". Why must you have a suppressor...did you explain this elsewhere? Why do you "need" to hunt with a compound bow? It's not about need, it's about choice. I don't really care if HPRs are allowed or not, but all the reasons listed in this thread is a combination of opinion, misinformation/inexperience, and BS.
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Post by swilk on May 19, 2015 8:42:44 GMT -5
Not all. Legalizing them will in fact increase the availability of arms to hunters. Other than that there isnt much difference ballistically or otherwise from what we currently have.
I, as Ive said numerous times, was not for them being legalized ..... but there really isnt any reason to not legalize them other than I dont like change. Similarly, there really is no reason to legalize them .... it all comes down to want.
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Post by deadeer on May 19, 2015 8:52:02 GMT -5
I could live with that -- as long as the dividing highway was something north of HWY 50. LOL! Surely you two aren't suggesting we treat our northern folk unfairly are you? Just kidding!! Hey hey hey, watch it! Us northern folk represent that remark! Jay
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