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Post by M4Madness on May 22, 2015 18:30:17 GMT -5
If Indiana were to keep the current brass length parameters (1.16"-1.8") and simply reduce the minimum bullet diameter from .357" to .307 (a 50 thousandths reduction), by my research only six non-obscure factory loads would be added to the deer-legal list:
.30 Carbine
.30 RAR
.300 AAC Blackout
.32-20 Winchester
7.62x39mm
7.62×40mm Wilson Tactical
Obviously some expensive wildcats would be devised, but very few would use them, so it would be no different than the current regulations allowing HPR rounds in pistols and any caliber for coyotes.
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Post by greghopper on May 22, 2015 19:29:14 GMT -5
What wrong with the current reg???
We just trying to change just to change or what???
Simple question....
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Post by M4Madness on May 22, 2015 19:50:35 GMT -5
I'm not happy with a big, fat .358" bullet. Ballistic coefficients suck on fat bullets because they are about as long as they are wide. The higher the ballistic coefficient, the flatter the firearm shoots. www.chuckhawks.com/bc.htmIn the above explanation, a rifle fires three bullets of the same weight at the same speed, but with different ballistic coefficients. There is a HUGE difference in bullet drops between those three examples. |
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Post by js2397 on May 22, 2015 20:03:52 GMT -5
I would prefer all .357 and up rifles. That would allow several nice production rifles like .35 winchester, 45-70, and others.
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Post by hornzilla on May 22, 2015 23:23:12 GMT -5
I would prefer all .357 and up rifles. That would allow several nice production rifles like .35 winchester, 45-70, and others.  |
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Post by dbd870 on May 23, 2015 6:52:05 GMT -5
I get what you are saying M4M and I can't say I haven't thought it myself; however if we are going to do a partial change I like the .357 & up idea.
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Post by M4Madness on May 23, 2015 8:02:53 GMT -5
The thing is, if the public is against HPR's, they'll never accept increasing or removing the maximum case length on PCR's. A smaller bullet sounds better than a larger brass case.
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Post by dbd870 on May 23, 2015 11:55:12 GMT -5
My feeble mind just realized this would bring the 300ossm in to play. Ummm....yep I could get behind this!
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Post by M4Madness on May 23, 2015 13:06:05 GMT -5
The detractors use the excuse that the numbers of varmint hunters and HPR pistol shooters in the field are pretty small, hence no real danger to others. Thus, they should have no problems with very few people spending the big bucks to use a custom wildcat like you've mentioned. Even if it had the power of a .50 BMG, it's no different than the seldom-used HPR pistol.
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Post by squirrelhunter on May 23, 2015 14:48:31 GMT -5
I think the 32-20 and 30 Carbine still wouldn't be allowed,they aren't now even in handgun which as you know allows a lot of rifle calibers.
From the regulations book.:
Some handgun cartridges that are illegal for deer hunting are .38 Special, .38 Smith and Wesson, .38 Colt New Police, .38/200, .38 Long Colt, .38 Super, .38 ACP, .38 Colt Auto, .45 ACP, .45 Automatic and .45 Auto Rim. All .25/.20, .32/.20 and .30 carbine ammunition is prohibited.
It might be because the velocity isn't enough out of a handgun and out of a rifle may make a different though,don't know. Just saying.
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Post by M4Madness on May 23, 2015 14:50:23 GMT -5
Hey, that wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if those two were excluded. LOL! I feel that there are better choices for deer as well.
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Post by stevein on May 23, 2015 19:34:46 GMT -5
I would have preferred if Indiana had done like Ohio did in the first place. Just certain rounds are legal, no messing with case length, shortening rounds, wildcatting or definitions. It is either legal or not.
The hearing at Columbia City was almost 100% opposed to the proposal. I don't know about the other hearings but if they were like the one at C.C. I doubt it will come up for a loooong time.
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