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Post by featherduster on Jul 30, 2015 15:04:07 GMT -5
Most common folks think that anything that shoots or propels an arrow or stick type object is a bow hence the term bow hunter.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 30, 2015 15:06:06 GMT -5
Greg, Thanks for the correction...But if you want to get right down to it, the animal was ultimately killed with a "gun". "Rodrigues said Palmer shot Cecil with an arrow but failed to kill him. Then the two men tracked Cecil, finding him about 40 hours later and shooting him to death with a gun, Rodrigues said." Quote above from this article.....http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/africa/zimbabwe-lion-killed/ I've never hunted lions, and never will, but it seems to me that any wounded animal would head back to where he was safe at. So did they track him onto the Park or did he stay off the Park? Like I said I don't trust much, if anything, an animal rights organization says about killing an animal..
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Post by featherduster on Jul 30, 2015 15:24:57 GMT -5
There is a lot of information missing such as if the lion had a collar for tracking purposes can they retrieve a record of his movements, was the collar readily visible, where is Palmer if he has nothing to worry about then why is he hiding from authorities. Palmer has numerous records listed with the Pope and Young organization there are many photos of him posing with dead animals and there is a compound bow in the photos. Does Pope and Young recognize Crossbows?
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Post by jjas on Jul 30, 2015 15:29:38 GMT -5
Greg, Thanks for the correction...But if you want to get right down to it, the animal was ultimately killed with a "gun". "Rodrigues said Palmer shot Cecil with an arrow but failed to kill him. Then the two men tracked Cecil, finding him about 40 hours later and shooting him to death with a gun, Rodrigues said." Quote above from this article.....http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/africa/zimbabwe-lion-killed/ I've never hunted lions, and never will, but it seems to me that any wounded animal would head back to where he was safe at. So did they track him onto the Park or did he stay off the Park? Like I said I don't trust much, if anything, an animal rights organization says about killing an animal.. I'm not sure....I've read several different stories and they all seem to be a bit different... According to a quote from the article below...."Cecil lived another 40 hours until the hunters tracked him down and shot him with a gun. He was then skinned and beheaded. The hunters also tried to destroy the GPS collar that Cecil was wearing as part of research backed by Oxford University, the conservation group said. "I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt," Palmer said Tuesday in a statement. "I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt." www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/us/walter-palmer-whereabouts/If the lion was wearing a collar, maybe the data can be retrieved and that will ultimately tell the tale....
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 30, 2015 15:37:24 GMT -5
No on P and Y and crossbows
He has had thousands of death threats. I would hide too..
Seems a lot of folks in Zimbabwe think the world is nuts. Lions die there all the time.
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Post by chubwub on Jul 30, 2015 15:38:57 GMT -5
I've learned my lesson about jumping to conclusions based on the "facts" that the media chooses to report. I'm not going to look like an idiot this time and become an expert in lion hunting and conservation like all these other internet vigilantes. lol
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Post by greghopper on Jul 30, 2015 16:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by duff on Jul 30, 2015 20:28:22 GMT -5
The dude is a class act that really shines a fine light on hunting...NOT. He has proven himself to be a poacher...not sure I can defend his actions one way or another. Could care less what PETA or other animal rights groups drum up. It only takes a few bozos to spoil a good thing. This is one big step to push the folks who don't care about hunting to swing the other way. That is bad.
When is Bruce Jenner going to take over the headlines again???
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Post by swetz on Jul 30, 2015 22:25:17 GMT -5
It's quite a mess. I overhead a few people today talking about it and watching Jimmy Kimmel's speech on the subject. I didn't engage them since I usually keep to myself and didn't really feel up for getting into it.
As far as the dentist's actions, I don't agree with it from a sporting perspective. They lure the animal out of a protected area. Also, it's pretty extravagant (to me at least) to spend 50k on something like that.
While I don't agree with them, at least hard core animal rights activists are consistent (sort of, I'll get to that later). It really irks me to hear people complain about how awful killing animals is while they shove a chicken salad sandwich in their face. Odds are that chicken had a terrible existence in a factory farm before someone did the dirty work for you. Generally, the only difference is Disney didn't make a blockbuster movie called The Chicken King and no one admires chickens. We eat hogs by the thousands, but they're highly social and intelligent creatures. To me, if you're going to protest the dentist's office, you better be protesting the breakfast sausage aisle.
What really gets me about the animal rights groups (PETA is the one I know most about) is that they prey on people's ignorance deliberately. Dog and cat owners donate to them regularly without realizing that PETA does not support even companion animal ownership and would rather your pets die than be your slave. In fact, virtually every pet that goes to one of their "shelters" is killed within hours. If you get time watch Penn and Teller's show Bullsh*t on it. Warning: it has lots of foul language so not suitable for the little ones, but lots of information. It's old so it should be on YouTube by now.
Now, don't get me wrong, I never want to see any animal suffer. If you do, there's something deeply wrong with you. However, if you're a meat eater, you should understand and be willing to face that something was killed for you. To me, that's an important lesson that hunting teaches.
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Post by subzero350 on Jul 30, 2015 22:30:52 GMT -5
Every one of us on here needs to realize there is a sizable portion of the population who are what I call 'bleeding heart liberals'. These are the people who get outraged the moment there is a mass shooting and want guns taken away from every law-abiding citizen, they also want all hunting to be stopped anytime a poacher kills an innocent <insert species here>. It doesn't matter what the facts are; it doesn't matter if the offender that sparked the outrage was already a criminal and was illegally possessing a weapon or on an illegal hunt. It doesn't matter if the person was actively breaking laws when the "outrageous act" was committed. That's not the point. The point is this group of people wants to use these situations to morph public opinion to support their agenda of increasing government control over every aspect of our lives. They want to tell you how to live and limit what freedoms you have, all for the "greater good" as they call it. And they'll use any excuse they can to further their agenda.
So take situations like this with a grain of salt and understand where it is coming from. Also understand it is our duty as true conservationists to educate the low information public about how nature really works in the real world and that it's a lot different than the mass media's utopian rose-colored-glasses view tries telling them.
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Post by span870 on Jul 31, 2015 7:35:50 GMT -5
It really blows my mind the amount of hunters that are defending this guy. He broke the laws of the country he was in when he killed the lion. The defense, I was just following my guides and thought they knew the laws, is a moot point. I hunt in Indiana with an outfitter and break a law that I didn't realize existed, I'm still on the hook. The outfitter told me it was legal isn't a defense. Why is it different if someone poaches a big whitetail deer. Even on here I see every year guys calling for extreme sentences for deer poachers. The guy and the lion is the same thing. Whether it's this majestic lion or a majestic 200" whitetail, greed and the lust to be a number in a book and bragging rights stole this creature from law abiding people. The age of this lion has nothing to do with anything. Remember most 200" whitetails are on the downhill slide too.
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Post by swilk on Jul 31, 2015 7:49:18 GMT -5
Did he break the law? Are you sure? Willing to bet your life on it sure?
He hasnt been charged with anything as far as I can tell. If he broke the law wouldnt he be charged?
There are so many holes in this story it isnt funny .....
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Post by swilk on Jul 31, 2015 7:57:00 GMT -5
Even if he is ultimately charged there will be reason for suspicion ..... if our Government even thinks about handing him over it will be a travesty.
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Post by drs on Jul 31, 2015 8:00:37 GMT -5
I hate it that the news latched onto it. Watching Jimmy Kimmel cry during his segment over this lion was just ridiculousy over the top. I made the mistake of trying to tell people that we can't toss away all hunting just because this guy screwed up. So far I've had my weight ridiculed, been called a sociopath, ignorant and been told I don't believe in conservation because I hunt among other things. I managed to get my own personal lynch mob in a matter of minutes. 13 years old is freaking ancient for a lion though, they usually don't make it past 12, so I was a little skeptical about the whole thing about how he was in his prime. While it too bad that that particular Lion was taken by a Hunter who had a proper permit to trophy hunt a lion. Yet, one doesn't hear about the goings-on with Plan Parenthood with their selling body parts and organs from aborted fetuses for a profit. None of the major News programs (MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, (that are left-of-center), mention very little about this shameful act committed by Plan Parenthood. It's all been about that Lion, while NOTHING is even discussed or discussed very little about the "Trophy" Automobiles and fancy homes these "Leaches" of Plan Parenthood will receive from profits from the sale of aborted human body parts.
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Post by drs on Jul 31, 2015 8:04:30 GMT -5
Did he break the law? Are you sure? Willing to bet your life on it sure? He hasnt been charged with anything as far as I can tell. If he broke the law wouldnt he be charged? There are so many holes in this story it isnt funny ..... He had to have a proper permit in order to hunt for a lion. Therefore he didn't break any laws, but rather just that this particular lion was in his hunt area, unknow to the Hunter. LOTS OF HOLES IN THIS STORY!!
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Post by swilk on Jul 31, 2015 8:08:59 GMT -5
I watched the Planned Parenthood video and her mention of a "Lamborghini" was a joke ... a joke in poor taste but a joke nonetheless. I have seen several people mention and heard several people talk about how "they" dont talk about Planned Parenthood but I cant figure out what they mean. I have seen lots and lots and lots of coverage about the Planned Parenthood thing. I just looked at the ultra liberal MSNBC.com and there are several articles covering the recent string of videos with Planned Parenthood.
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Post by swilk on Jul 31, 2015 8:10:25 GMT -5
Did he break the law? Are you sure? Willing to bet your life on it sure? He hasnt been charged with anything as far as I can tell. If he broke the law wouldnt he be charged? There are so many holes in this story it isnt funny ..... He had to have a proper permit in order to hunt for a lion. Therefore he didn't break any laws, but rather just that this particular lion was in his hunt area, unknow to the Hunter. LOTS OF HOLES IN THIS STORY!! He had to have the proper permits? He didnt know of the lion? Are you sure? Are you sure he didnt break any laws? Willing to bet your life on it sure?
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Post by drs on Jul 31, 2015 8:50:13 GMT -5
I watched the Planned Parenthood video and her mention of a "Lamborghini" was a joke ... a joke in poor taste but a joke nonetheless. I have seen several people mention and heard several people talk about how "they" dont talk about Planned Parenthood but I cant figure out what they mean. I have seen lots and lots and lots of coverage about the Planned Parenthood thing. I just looked at the ultra liberal MSNBC.com and there are several articles covering the recent string of videos with Planned Parenthood. You should know that new networks like MSNBC or any other "left-leaning" networks; will ALWAYS place a "Liberal spin" on anything, including the killing of that lion and Plan Parenthood. You're correct it was a rather poor joke showing that this individual is NOT qualified, and is just a plain murderer. Once, my late Father, an OB-GYN Physician, received a call once, at dinner time, from someone wanting to know if he would do an abortion. My Father told this individual that he was against performing abortions <PERIOD>. Also told the person not to call him at his home again.
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Post by drs on Jul 31, 2015 8:51:50 GMT -5
He had to have a proper permit in order to hunt for a lion. Therefore he didn't break any laws, but rather just that this particular lion was in his hunt area, unknow to the Hunter. LOTS OF HOLES IN THIS STORY!! He had to have the proper permits? He didnt know of the lion? Are you sure? Are you sure he didnt break any laws? Willing to bet your life on it sure? I was just agreeing with what you posted.
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Post by swilk on Jul 31, 2015 8:55:28 GMT -5
He had to have the proper permits? He didnt know of the lion? Are you sure? Are you sure he didnt break any laws? Willing to bet your life on it sure? I was just agreeing with what you posted. My post was intending to point out that one shouldn't jump to conclusions based on suspect information .... from either side.
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