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Post by schoolmaster on Nov 11, 2015 8:32:03 GMT -5
Bought a Savage Axis in .358 win on gunbroker from JES reboring. Put on a 3x9 Leupold scope in Burris signature rings. 4 shots with factory ammo got it zeroed at 50 . Next 4 shots were with Hornady brass cut to 1.795, Remington 9 1/2 primer, 44 grains Benchmark, Hornady 200 grain FTX. 2 shots in .267 adjusted for 3" high at 100, 2 more shots in .142 How lucky can you get? Am buying a lottery ticket and am not touching this rifle until opening morning.
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Post by esshup on Nov 11, 2015 9:07:02 GMT -5
Good shooting! You are set. The only other thing I'd do is go shoot it at 200 or maybe 300 yds and shoot it in a wind to get an idea of wind drift. Shooting it further will give you an idea of bullet drop. Even if you only shoot 100 yds or less during hunting, if there's a chance for a longer shot you will have the data.
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Post by steiny on Nov 11, 2015 16:28:30 GMT -5
A bit confused. Am I reading that you set it 3" high at 50 yards to assume 100 yard zero, or did you actually shoot it at 100 yards?
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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 11, 2015 17:15:56 GMT -5
Sounds awesome. Are you loading to standard COAL? How much neck is left after cutting? Thanks.
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Post by schoolmaster on Nov 11, 2015 19:48:56 GMT -5
Shot the .142 group at 100 yards. The rifle is sighted 3 inches high at 100 yards. The neck is cut down to .150 I seated the bullet to the base of the neck. Compared to a Hornady 200 grain spire point factory round the FTX loading is slightly longer. Like I said pure luck as I was just trying to get a starting point and it shot awesome. So much for load development. There will not be time to shoot at 200-300 yards but I am pretty confident it will be really close to zero at 200 and be good to 250. Don't take shots farther than that.
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Post by drs on Nov 12, 2015 5:34:41 GMT -5
Sounds awesome. Are you loading to standard COAL? How much neck is left after cutting? Thanks. There is one factory cartridge out there with a short neck, the .300 Winchester Magnum. Other than reloading this round, which requires careful bullet seating, it is accurate. Short neck on any cartridge can be problematic when reloading.
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Post by parson on Nov 12, 2015 13:13:46 GMT -5
I've really been looking at the Shaw .358 Win. barrels that Midway has. Wouldn't be too much of a job to switch out my Savage .243.
I probably ought to sell a thing or 2 before acquire much more shooting stuff, or my wife will want a new sewing machine, or worse!!
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Post by bullseye69 on Nov 12, 2015 19:55:03 GMT -5
I thought about doing that before I built my 358 Hoosier. Kind of wish I tried it first before deciding on the Hoosier. Don't get me wrong the Hoosier I really like but it is a little harder working up loads. Not as much info in books for the Hoosier.
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Post by esshup on Nov 12, 2015 20:35:51 GMT -5
Sounds awesome. Are you loading to standard COAL? How much neck is left after cutting? Thanks. There is one factory cartridge out there with a short neck, the .300 Winchester Magnum. Other than reloading this round, which requires careful bullet seating, it is accurate. Short neck on any cartridge can be problematic when reloading. I agree, but....................... I try to have the bullets seated 1 caliber deep - i.e. the base of the bullet is at the shoulder/neck junction. But, that all depends on the cartridge and how it's designed too. Long neck, short neck, or caliber length neck, for accuracy the necks have to be straight so the bullets are seated straight. I think that's more important than neck length. One other thing that for longer range shooting needs to be taken into consideration is the neck tension and how much pressure it takes to release the bullet from the case. A lot or a little, it doesn't matter as long as it's consistent. Your rifle will tell you what it likes, if you are so inclined to go to that "nth" accuracy wise.
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Post by drs on Nov 13, 2015 5:28:42 GMT -5
There is one factory cartridge out there with a short neck, the .300 Winchester Magnum. Other than reloading this round, which requires careful bullet seating, it is accurate. Short neck on any cartridge can be problematic when reloading. I agree, but....................... I try to have the bullets seated 1 caliber deep - i.e. the base of the bullet is at the shoulder/neck junction. But, that all depends on the cartridge and how it's designed too. Long neck, short neck, or caliber length neck, for accuracy the necks have to be straight so the bullets are seated straight. I think that's more important than neck length. One other thing that for longer range shooting needs to be taken into consideration is the neck tension and how much pressure it takes to release the bullet from the case. A lot or a little, it doesn't matter as long as it's consistent. Your rifle will tell you what it likes, if you are so inclined to go to that "nth" accuracy wise. Just be sure your bullet is seated deep enough so it won't pull out when you chamber it and then remove it from the chamber. Like I said short necked cases can be problematic. I once had a rifle chambered for the .25 Souper (.25-243) in which I was trying to develop some accurate loads with 120 grain Boat-tail bullets. Seated the bullets out enough to just touch the lands of the chamber, but had several bullets pull free of the case when I removed them from the chamber. Then had to seat bullets of this weight a bit deeper to avoid a stuck bullet in the chamber. I am a bit leery about shorting cartridge necks, as this could be risky.
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Post by esshup on Nov 13, 2015 10:28:21 GMT -5
Just be sure your bullet is seated deep enough so it won't pull out when you chamber it and then remove it from the chamber. Like I said short necked cases can be problematic. I once had a rifle chambered for the .25 Souper (.25-243) in which I was trying to develop some accurate loads with 120 grain Boat-tail bullets. Seated the bullets out enough to just touch the lands of the chamber, but had several bullets pull free of the case when I removed them from the chamber. Then had to seat bullets of this weight a bit deeper to avoid a stuck bullet in the chamber. I am a bit leery about shorting cartridge necks, as this could be risky. Where'd you find 120g Boattails in .25 cal? I like using bushing neck sizing dies, that way I can tailor the neck tension.
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Post by drs on Nov 13, 2015 10:36:58 GMT -5
Just be sure your bullet is seated deep enough so it won't pull out when you chamber it and then remove it from the chamber. Like I said short necked cases can be problematic. I once had a rifle chambered for the .25 Souper (.25-243) in which I was trying to develop some accurate loads with 120 grain Boat-tail bullets. Seated the bullets out enough to just touch the lands of the chamber, but had several bullets pull free of the case when I removed them from the chamber. Then had to seat bullets of this weight a bit deeper to avoid a stuck bullet in the chamber. I am a bit leery about shorting cartridge necks, as this could be risky. Where'd you find 120g Boattails in .25 cal? I like using bushing neck sizing dies, that way I can tailor the neck tension. Been so long ago, but I believe Speer made them, at one time or I might have purchased a box of Sierra brand 120 grainers. Neck tension would be a good idea on your particular cartridge.
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Post by troutline on Dec 10, 2015 0:33:09 GMT -5
So how did the 358win short work out. I have been using the 35rem short it shoots well. Thinking about trying the 358win.
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Post by schoolmaster on Dec 10, 2015 18:53:37 GMT -5
I have taken one deer with it at 50 yards and I have had no problems with the bullets staying put in the short neck and the accuracy is fine. I set the length the same as a factory 200 grain load and it fit and fed just fine. Overall very pleased with the modified .358 case.
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Post by troutline on Dec 10, 2015 20:53:27 GMT -5
Sounds good, what kind of crimp die do you use. I had my lee factory crimp die milled down to crimp my 35ren short and it works great. Thank you
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Post by schoolmaster on Dec 11, 2015 8:29:10 GMT -5
I am using a Lee die set and did not crimp the bullets. So far no slippage or moving of the bullet in the case.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 11, 2015 12:02:57 GMT -5
Couple others guys I read using the short neck 358 Win. Sounds like it has worked out for everybody that tried it. Glad to hear it is working. Kicking around building this or a Hoosier in an Encore rifle barrel. More reloading data, more speed, and easier brass work has me leaning more on the 358 Win right now.
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Post by troutline on Dec 12, 2015 11:32:52 GMT -5
Thank you
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Post by deadeer on Feb 1, 2016 14:10:03 GMT -5
I picked up an MGM 358win barrel for an Encore. Just started resizing some 308 brass. I got a few loaded up and fired for function. I will put up a seperate post when I get rolling along. So far looks good.
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Post by oldhoyt on Feb 4, 2016 14:32:42 GMT -5
Is the sizing operation easy? I'm sure 308 brass is cheaper than 358, but I do see it available at Grafs and Sons. Just an FYI. G&S also has a fair selection of in stock 35 cal bullets.
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