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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 30, 2016 11:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 30, 2016 15:03:03 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me.
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Post by drs on Jan 31, 2016 6:19:54 GMT -5
That statement above, from the article, says it all. Other wildlife negatively affected by Coyotes are: Rabbits, ground nesting birds like Wild Turkey, etc.
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Post by throbak on Jan 31, 2016 8:43:33 GMT -5
But what about the Nest preditors the coyotes eat Seems to me it might balence out there .. I still think Mowing machines Kill more fawns Than coyotes in Hay country ..
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Post by drs on Jan 31, 2016 10:01:03 GMT -5
But what about the Nest preditors the coyotes eat Seems to me it might balence out there .. I still think Mowing machines Kill more fawns Than coyotes in Hay country .. YEP!! Farming practices like mowing does have huge affect on nesting wildlife including Fawns hiding. |
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Post by esshup on Jan 31, 2016 20:13:14 GMT -5
I think yotes are worse than mowing. Wasn't it in Indiana where a guy put a trail cam on a 'yote den and before the pups left the den Mom & Dad brought close to 80 fawns home? Or was it a study that Dr. James Kroll did?
If a single pair was that effective, how many pairs are in the area?
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 31, 2016 20:47:50 GMT -5
I guarantee that coyotes are responsible for more fawn kills on properties I hunt than cutting hay. In fact, they probably kill more adult deer where I hunt than I do.
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Post by esshup on Jan 31, 2016 21:40:42 GMT -5
I guarantee that coyotes are responsible for more fawn kills on properties I hunt than cutting hay. In fact, they probably kill more adult deer where I hunt than I do. A buddy was driving out from Chicago and he was on Rt 30, just east of Wanatah a few years ago when he saw 3-4 yotes (I forget) chasing a buck not too far off of the highway. He pulled over to watch and they took down the buck not 50 yds from Rt. 30 and killed it. I asked him if the deer looked like it was hit by a vehicle, and he said that when it was running, it didn't seem to be limping. |
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Post by deadeer on Jan 31, 2016 22:13:28 GMT -5
I think yotes are worse than mowing. Wasn't it in Indiana where a guy put a trail cam on a 'yote den and before the pups left the den Mom & Dad brought close to 80 fawns home? Or was it a study that Dr. James Kroll did? If a single pair was that effective, how many pairs are in the area? I remember the article too. Likely from here or Dougs. |
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Post by drs on Feb 1, 2016 5:47:57 GMT -5
I think yotes are worse than mowing. Wasn't it in Indiana where a guy put a trail cam on a 'yote den and before the pups left the den Mom & Dad brought close to 80 fawns home? Or was it a study that Dr. James Kroll did? If a single pair was that effective, how many pairs are in the area? About the same in my opinion. Cutting hay at the wrong time of the year, when Fawns are unable to get-out-of-the-way. Usually by postponing your hay cutting until early July, would help cutting down the number of Fawn deaths due to mowing. However, Coyotes are out there year round preying on helpless Fawns when they are too young to flee. So I must conclude that both Coyotes and modern farming practices take a toll on Fawns. Controlling Coyote populations and using prudent Farming Practices will help sustain your Deer population in any given area. |
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Post by duff on Feb 1, 2016 5:53:26 GMT -5
Cars get more than hunters and yotes year in and year out. I read it on the 'net!
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Post by throbak on Feb 1, 2016 7:28:03 GMT -5
In studies Stanley Ghert did on Collerd fawns No fawns were killed after 18 days old None I have Warm season grass around my hay fields the deer have figured out its safer and keep fawns there
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Post by drs on Feb 1, 2016 7:58:42 GMT -5
Cars get more than hunters and yotes year in and year out. I read it on the 'net! TRUE FACT !!! |
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Post by esshup on Feb 1, 2016 8:41:01 GMT -5
I think yotes are worse than mowing. Wasn't it in Indiana where a guy put a trail cam on a 'yote den and before the pups left the den Mom & Dad brought close to 80 fawns home? Or was it a study that Dr. James Kroll did? If a single pair was that effective, how many pairs are in the area? About the same in my opinion. Cutting hay at the wrong time of the year, when Fawns are unable to get-out-of-the-way. Usually by postponing your hay cutting until early July, would help cutting down the number of Fawn deaths due to mowing. However, Coyotes are out there year round preying on helpless Fawns when they are too young to flee. So I must conclude that both Coyotes and modern farming practices take a toll on Fawns. Controlling Coyote populations and using prudent Farming Practices will help sustain your Deer population in any given area. I agree. Best scenario would be a 2 step process |
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Post by DOC11 on Feb 1, 2016 8:57:40 GMT -5
I was a firm believer that the coyotes were taking over state land near me, but this year has made me think a little differently. Not that this is any concrete evidence, but ive had cameras out since August, had 2 dead deer within 50 yds from 1 of my hunting locations (assuming it was from disease) and not 1 single coyote on any of my cameras. Dont get me wrong...obviously I know there are coyotes there since I hunt them, but it just seems to me that with having multiple cameras out for over 5 months would produce at least a few pictures.
Also I pulled my last 2 cameras out over the weekend after leaving the area undisturbed for 6 weeks. Thought for sure I would be seeing a good number of deer.......only 42 pictures total with only half of them being pictures of deer. Think its time to set up on a different area of the reservoirs next year
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Post by ispfowler on Feb 1, 2016 19:25:06 GMT -5
I attribute numerous "blank" trail cam pics throughout the season to coyotes, fox, birds, and other fast moving critters. The coyotes are there (based on scat and tracks), but are eluding the trail cameras.....most of the time.
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Post by raymar on Feb 2, 2016 22:56:01 GMT -5
Coyotes can be caught on trail cams. They are often moving thru at a faster pace though. If you put one on a trap placed and dirthole and video. You will see how quickly they work a set.
You can't eliminate them from an area only control them. I hunt an area behind my house a lot and only saw yotes four times and twice was the same two due to a very distinct mark. I have taken 7 off this area so far this year and another across the rd. I took six last and at least two or more each three or four. More will always move in due to the cover we make for the deer. The cover is what they seek to hunt and shelter. While I don't see them as much they are still around. Three years ago though I seemed to see one about every hunt it seemed or heard them. Just because you don't catch them on camera everyday doesn't mean they aren't there. They have much larger home ranges than deer and estimated up to 6 to 8 miles.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2016 10:25:00 GMT -5
I have read that a coyotes home range is a 25 mile radius.....  Just what I read. I was out shed hunting Monday and found a fresh coyote kill of a button buck. Gonna try to take out a few over next couple weeks and am letting a guy set some trap sets this weekend. |
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Post by swilk on Feb 3, 2016 10:32:53 GMT -5
I have read that a coyotes home range is a 25 mile radius..... Just what I read. I was out shed hunting Monday and found a fresh coyote kill of a button buck. Gonna try to take out a few over next couple weeks and am letting a guy set some trap sets this weekend. I found a fresh (within a day or two) deer kill on my farm this past Saturday. Meeting a friend who is a trapper at my farm after work today .... gonna turn him loose and hope he kills a bunch. |
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2016 11:30:56 GMT -5
I hear you. I wasn't real happy when I found the button. Looked to be ambushed on a step hill/creek crossing in thick cover. Yote tracks all over so pretty obvious what happened.
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Just what I read. I was out shed hunting Monday and found a fresh coyote kill of a button buck. Gonna try to take out a few over next couple weeks and am letting a guy set some trap sets this weekend.